Hypothetical situation

[Morcs]

Regardless of said argument, one person is going to either take the fall for another and/or spend a considerable amount of money defending himself for the actions of another. How would you behave Morc?............would you approach the Police and offer the truth? .

I know without a doubt that I would own up there and then on the spot, But if I was able to go home to without having much idea of what was going on then told of the situation, Im sure Id need a good boot up the arse and then id go own up.

[Morcs]

Nope, tried that angle. The key witness for the cops is very high in the ranks, and I suspect a bike hater. He wants to do someone.

It was skidmark. I saw it. Didnt you?

sorted.

[DEATH_INC.]

Or do you just want to put a rope around raj's neck and hang him?

No, at least I didn't.....
If I did I would just hand his details over to them.

[smoky]

Nope, tried that angle. The key witness for the cops is very high in the ranks, and I suspect a bike hater. He wants to do someone.

Fine - appeal, turn up at the district court with some witnesses, if you send them your intended defense I will be surprised if they pursue it

Share the costs
And if I were Raj and his mate - I would spring for the cost

[smoky]

It was skidmark. I saw it. Didnt you?

sorted.

Actually that's a very good option

[Morcs]

Actually that's a very good option

Im sure he'll be cheap to buy, and he's used to being perma-banned from riding

[White trash]

It was skidmark. I saw it. Didnt you?

sorted.

GS650G doing wheelsatnds??

Cops arent THAT stupid. Surely?

[MarkH]

Nope, tried that angle. The key witness for the cops is very high in the ranks, and I suspect a bike hater. He wants to do someone.

Tough shit for him - from what you posted here his witness report is pretty shaky, he didn't identify the bikes going past very well at all. It is also his testimony (and he is only one man) against potentially 6 others. I am pretty sure that in law a judge cannot just dismiss the testimony of 6 people out of hand.

[The Stranger:Me]

Tough shit for him - from what you posted here his witness report is pretty shaky, he didn't identify the bikes going past very well at all.

He identified them just fine.
When they were stopped he got all the details he needed.

Seriously MarkH, you need to think things through a little before you post.
No I am not being a meanie.

[Patch]

from what you posted here his witness report is pretty shaky

when the prosecution's witness holds a badge and has pip's on his shoulders, it wouldn't make fuck all difference if the defendant's witness was the pope.

[Headbanger]

I reckon the pope would have some swing.

[Winston001]

What if you appealed the ticket - then Raj wrote a letter saying it was him - what would the cops do I wonder?
Would they actually fine him? Can they? would they bother?
What if a bunch of you wrote in stating it was a case of mistaken identity and would be prepared to turn up at court to say so - I bet they would drop it as well.....

A useful experiment is to put yourself in the shoes of the other person: if you were a police prosecutor what would you say to these suggestions?

An occupational risk of policing is being lied to.

Timing is the crux. If someone comes forward soon after the ticket is issued and says "You have it wrong, it was me..." then the odds are good the first charge will be dropped.

But months later? Not likely. And an experienced district court judge is going to be similarly cynical. Which doesn't mean a judge can't be persuaded if the witnesses impress as honest and sincere.

[Madness]

Fine - appeal, turn up at the district court with some witnesses, if you send them your intended defense I will be surprised if they pursue it

Share the costs
And if I were Raj and his mate - I would spring for the cost

It's not just a case af a fine, there is a mandatory 6-month disqualification period for a dangerous driving charge, and possible future implications on insurance premiums not to mention the hassle with Immigration at any Australian airport on arrival.

Lets face it, there are 3 people who could offer testimony here, other than the two charged and one of those persons partner. Two of these three have made it pretty clear that they is weasels.

It's now up to us to defend ourselves, at our cost.

In the mean time, I have learnt quite a lot from this situation. It's not a total loss.

[Indiana_Jones]

No! I'm Spartacus!

-Indy

[MarkH]

He identified them just fine.
When they were stopped he got all the details he needed.

Seriously MarkH, you need to think things through a little before you post.
No I am not being a meanie.

Hey - I am just going from what I know from what was posted by Death here. I am happy to leave the finer details up to the defence lawyer. Maybe I am just being hopeful but surely 6 people all saying the same thing has a chance of swaying the judge?

I have no idea of what the conviction rate is for dangerous driving when the accused pleads not guilty - but from what I read here many believe it to be somewhere around 101%. Maybe you guys are right and no matter what Madness & Death have no chance - I just hope that is not the case.