Three cops shot - 1 dead (Napier, 7 May)

[Patrick]

But sorry guys, there's a shit load of difference between a copper and a snake. To lump the guys who are doing drug raids with moustached mister highway patrol man is an insult to them.

Wasn't going to reply to this but...

There realy isn't a difference any more. The merger was over 17 years ago. All frontliners are copperhead snakes (except detectives... )

[Owl]

How about just a PETROL BOMB

You could get arrested for that!

[yungatart]

How about just a PETROL BOMB

That is just a really dumb thing to say Shaun!

[PirateJafa]

That is just a really dumb thing to say Shaun!

I dunno.

If it's his house, they could have set fire to it this morning and shot him in the skull as he ran out from the flames.

Then Napier could have settled down and had a day where school kids etc were not needing to spend the entire day hiding in their classrooms.

[MSTRS:Me]

Oh, right. With the houses in that street all being about 1m from their neighbours. Set the whole Hill on fire. When Napier is still under drought conditions, with insufficient water and/or pressure to control things.
Don't give up your day jobs...

[Maha]

That'd be inhumane.

Doesn't get any worse than this. 3 Unarmed cops doing a drug warrant and he lets rip with a semi auto rifle.

One shot in the stomach is in surgery, Status 1 (real bad....).

One shot in the back status 2 and the member of the public is also 2.

Its dark now and the AOS have night vision goggles, the ball would be in their court (taking that he is still inside) The Police murderer would not have had radio throughout the day, guess he wont live to see tomorrow.?

[McDuck]

RIP the cop who got killed, while we did not agree on appropriate rates of velocity at the time of our meeting you were a good barsted. RIP

[Ixion]

Surely tear gas is the standard prescription in such cases?

Ultimately, he ain't going nowhere. Just be a pity if he surrendered tamely. (and visibly enough that lots of people saw it).

[jrandom]

3 Unarmed cops doing a drug warrant...

That was the very first thing that struck me about this.

Perhaps it's time, when executing drug warrants, to start replacing polite knocks with proper entry techniques. M4s and real body armour, not pepper spray and anti-stab vests. Other police forces in civilised countries do it. Surely nobody on the right side of the law would cry about it.

After all, it seems that one can no longer rely on the criminal fraternity to play ball and be courteous and non-violent just because the cops are.

I hope to hear that appropriate procedural changes have been made in the wake of this tragedy. But somehow I doubt that I will.

[tri boy]

As Maha pointed out, the cover of darkness is on the AOS's side.
The gunman is fucked.

[Genestho]

Doesn't get any worse than this. 3 Unarmed cops doing a drug warrant and he lets rip with a semi auto rifle.

One shot in the stomach is in surgery, Status 1 (real bad....).

One shot in the back status 2 and the member of the public is also 2.

Oh the unarmed thing again, when will things change eh?

[RT527]

Ok all comments aside, our police making an entry to a house at night ....with no way of knowing whether he has hostages or not we in the fire service assume theres persons reported in a house fire if it cant be proven that they are all out....so they make an entry with no recon or knowledge of the interior, what room is he in? what weapons does he really have, what traps are set up, because believe me and ask any firefighter thats been involved in a druggies house fire -they have some very intricate traps ...holes in floors covered over with rugs, petrol fill condoms tied to roof, razor blades embedded in the walls at hand and leg height, thin wire strung across hallways with other traps immediately after them (spikes/glass shards embedded in floor etc)the list goes on they never want evidence left behind so if it goes up they want it to keep going. so yeah let them make entry and then cry about the loses later on.
cant say that tear gas would work either, how thick are the curtains?, too thick and the house will catch fire same with net curtains, best way to do it is a robot with a tube that will penetrate the wall of the house then pump the tear gas in and not 1 either get 4 of the buggers if they can approach from all sides. But to be realistic , this is New Zealand and we simply can not afford this equipment. They do the best job they possibly can within the constraints of the budget and I wish them all the best for a safe resolution for everyone....bar the offender I dont give a flying for his rights.

[MadDuck]

Trouble doing so remotely?

Looking at TV news they evacuated the surrounding neighbourhood. Stupid question time but is it not possible to shut down the total area remotely?

[PrincessBandit]

Talking about the "unarmed" issue, did I hear the brother say something about "it was probably the way they approached him" in regard to the shootings. Bloody hell, so unarmed cops "approached" this guy in a way he took offence at so he shot them?????

[Ixion]

Trouble doing so remotely?

Shotgun. Power pole. Power cable from pole to house. Bang. Sorted.

But would a lack of elictrickery really incommode the killer? After all there was a time when many houses had none (I was born in one, for a start). It is hardly an essential of existence, and I doubt the killer intends to watch much television.