Three cops shot - 1 dead (Napier, 7 May)

**nallac** · 8th May 2009, 11:12

Originally Posted by Lias

The real problem is that our legislation allows the police to invade a man's home for something as petty as a few tinnies of cannabis. Home invasion by anyone other than the police results in a long jail sentence, yet they normally the police get a free pass for invading our houses. Perhaps Mr Molenaar is another citizen who feels like myself that the government has no right invading a mans home, and that every man has the right to defend his castle with lethal force from ANY invader, including the government.

Pureand utter shit.............kill a cop because of doing his/her job
What a fucked up statement...

**Finn** · 8th May 2009, 11:13

Originally Posted by Maki

I can understand that the situation is difficult now. Going against someone who is heavily armed, ready and well trained can not be easy.

Well trained? He was a weekend warrior in the NZ army. Hell, a girl guide with a biscuit is more dangerous.

**Ixion** · 8th May 2009, 11:13

Originally Posted by Maki

Guns and explosives in the hands of someoen who knows how to use them. If this is easy, then I suggest you volunteer to help. I am sure it would be much appreciated, unless of course you are a dilettante who has no idea what he is talking about...

No doubt it is not easy. that's why we employ specially trained people to do it . At great expense. Who *aren't* doing it.

Me, I'd have him sorted about 30 minutes after the howitzer arrived . Dead easy, actually. Point big gun, bloody BIG bang. Repeat as required. Sorted.

**Tank** · 8th May 2009, 11:14

Originally Posted by Lias

The real problem is that our legislation allows the police to invade a man's home for something as petty as a few tinnies of cannabis. Home invasion by anyone other than the police results in a long jail sentence, yet they normally the police get a free pass for invading our houses. Perhaps Mr Molenaar is another citizen who feels like myself that the government has no right invading a mans home, and that every man has the right to defend his castle with lethal force from ANY invader, including the government.

What a crock.

So you actually believe that this guy is in the right to defend his house using lethal force from the police because they were doing their job?

It disgust me that anyone could support his actions even slightly.

**MSTRS:Me** · 8th May 2009, 11:15

Ixion is right. Granted, we don't have all the info, and what we do have is not much more than media-generated conjecture. However, on the surface, how hard is it to get 1 bloke out of a house? Even a superbly fit, Terri-trained pig hunting enthusiast with a semi-auto rifle should not be beyond our 'elite forces' abilities.
And as for 'heavily armed'....BULLSHIT. He is one man, with a semiauto (AK47?). Even if he had 2, that's all he can use at any one time. It's not like he has a Spandau/Bren/Gatling/Railgun in a reinforced concrete bunker, is it?

**short-circuit** · 8th May 2009, 11:16

The moral outrage, the indignation, the trolling and oneupmanship. Makes my niplets hard and tingly.

**Finn** · 8th May 2009, 11:17

And I thought you guys were dumbarses but I just had a look at the TradeMe forums and these guys take the cake. I forgot how stupid the average kiwi is.

The MO of the NZ Police is not gun ho. They ultimately want the guy to surrender.

**Tank** · 8th May 2009, 11:19

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Ixion is right. Granted, we don't have all the info, and what we do have is not much more than media-generated conjecture. However, on the surface, how hard is it to get 1 bloke out of a house? Even a superbly fit, Terri-trained pig hunting enthusiast with a semi-auto rifle should not be beyond our 'elite forces' abilities.

Quite probably because their hands are tied by the law

They have to try and get the guy out alive - despite I'm sure them all wanting to shoot the prick.

They cant just shoot him because 'its the right thing to do'.

However - I wont be surprised if he gets shot several times in the process of 'trying to get him out alive'.

**Marknz** · 8th May 2009, 11:21

Originally Posted by Ixion

We tell them through the ballot box. if this fiasco is the best that these uber-expensive elite forces can manage, why are we, the taxpayers, paying for them. We're not getting value for our money.

The difference between the NZ SAS and STU and the other "oh, I'm in a TLA , I must be a God" forces ,and units like the US Marines, UK SAS, SBS, the Israeli dudes, whatever they're called now, or the KGB, is that the latter actually do the job. Ours just talk the talk and wank around in Rambo gear.

I'd call this a VERY good case for disbanding them.

Clearly you're very experienced at this sort of stuff. Why don't you head down there and pass on some of your wisdom to the people that are actually having to deal with the situation?

**Finn** · 8th May 2009, 11:23

Originally Posted by Marknz

Clearly you're very experienced at this sort of stuff. Why don't you head down there and pass on some of your wisdom to the people that are actually having to deal with the situation?

Oh stop being a drama queen.

**Lias** · 8th May 2009, 11:25

Originally Posted by Tank

What a crock.

So you actually believe that this guy is in the right to defend his house using lethal force from the police because they were doing their job?

It disgust me that anyone could support his actions even slightly.

Yes, I do.

I will support anyone who uses lethal force against trespassers on their property, and I'd consider the police(or any other government agency) trespassers unless they were specifically invited onto the property by the occupier.

In an ideal world it would be legal to shoot mormons, door to door salesman, the meterman, and anyone else who felt like coming to my house uninvited.

**Katman** · 8th May 2009, 11:26

Originally Posted by short-circuit

The moral outrage, the indignation, the trolling and oneupmanship. Makes my niplets hard and tingly.

Imagine how boring some people's day would be without this thread.

**short-circuit** · 8th May 2009, 11:27

Originally Posted by Lias

Yes, I do.

I will support anyone who uses lethal force against trespassers on their property, and I'd consider the police(or any other government agency) trespassers unless they were specifically invited onto the property by the occupier.

In an ideal world it would be legal to shoot mormons, door to door salesman, the meterman, and anyone else who felt like coming to my house uninvited.

Can trolls hold guns though?

**Ixion** · 8th May 2009, 11:28

Originally Posted by Tank

Quite probably because their hands are tied by the law

They have to try and get the guy out alive - despite I'm sure them all wanting to shoot the prick.

They cant just shoot him because 'its the right thing to do'.

However - I wont be surprised if he gets shot several times in the process of 'trying to get him out alive'.

Uh huh. So, if instead of one nutter in a house in Napier, this were three mujahadeen who have taken over the control tower had Wellington Airport (at the same time as their fellow jihadi take over Auckland Airport) ? Anyone have any confidence that these muppets could retake the towers before there were quite a few aircraft scattered over the countryside? While, of course, they try to get the guys out alive. Remember, this isn't just the ordinary cops in napier . This is the guys who are supposed to be there to deal with terrorist and insurrection type scenarios.