Australia's military capability expansion

**Genestho** · 2nd May 2009, 19:05

"US will remain the most powerful nation in the world for decades to come, its influence in the Asia-Pacific is likely to decline as China's military strength grows..."

Execrpt taken from the following ..

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What's your thoughts...?

**Laxi** · 2nd May 2009, 19:32

dont have any, I'm a lover not a fighter

**98tls** · 2nd May 2009, 19:43

Lets just hope the Kiwis dont try and keep up with the Joneses,Jesus they have enough problems working out what ammunitions live and whats not.

**doc** · 2nd May 2009, 19:43

Don't worry we have a "Free Trade Agreement" with China, so we will be on the winning side.

except for the cricket , netball n rugby

**Mully** · 2nd May 2009, 20:21

This entire argument is irrelevant - North Korea is goin to nuke the US with their superior military force.

We've had this discussion people - pay attention.

**Katman** · 2nd May 2009, 20:58

We live in interesting times.

**wbks** · 2nd May 2009, 21:03

Originally Posted by Mully

This entire argument is irrelevant - North Korea is goin to nuke the US with their superior military force.

We've had this discussion people - pay attention.

The dude called me a midget, as well!

All in humor of course, but I refer to the avatar...

**scuzeme** · 2nd May 2009, 21:13

Dont get me started but now you have.....

US military power is not as "concrete" as everyone may think, the US has had to have a complete paradime shift in regards to how they fight their enemies starting with the tragic 9/11 event.
Its all very well having a gigatonne if nuclear strike capability but you cannot nuke your enemies when they live in your own country or the country of your allies and you cannot succesfully wage a war against an ideology.
Dont be fooled in this day and age the power is shifting to less democratic states and regimes because they are masters at manipulating and controlling their people and keeping their own counties from fragmenting under the weight of ethnic uprisings fueled by ethnic nationalism i.e the break up of the former USSR.
Remember that America is fundamentally a federation of separate states governed by a central federal structure, although its unthinkable the state of the Union could be weakened and lead to fracture and civil war if the conditions were right, America could go the way of the Soviet Union it could realistically crumble over night one day in the future.
The battle lines are completely different than they were 50 - 60 years ago.
the "Big Five" or what is known as the Anglo Saxon alliance USA, UK Canada Australia and NZ (you could probably lump the French in there as well) are countries that had bountiful natural resources and or influence over countries that did (Imperial England) yes NZ was/is part of that alliance becuase it was based on racial moral and religious simularity dating back to "since ages ago"

So where am i going with this....yes Chinese influence will continue to become a more powerful force in our neck of the woods especially if the Americans become more remote, back in the 70's 80's and 90s everyone thought that our Nuclear free stance was pretty cool but now days when there are such great upheavels happening and the power balances are shifting its just plain fucken stupid.
Our politicians especially the labour party with all their political correctness and lets all suck up to the toothless UN and hope they can protect us through diplomacy and while their at it have all men sit on the toilet to take a piss to keep the lesbians happy shit have completely stuffed up this country...we need an air force with attack capability we need the Americans coming here with there big nuclear ships and even bigger nuclear weapons, fuck it lets even get some silos installed!

Its all very well to play the pacifist in a lawful and governed global community but what happens when the chaos comes? what happens when the big boy on the block decides to become a bully what happens when another Country that was too scared to push us around once upon a time now comes and does a stand over on us becuase our big brother has left the building?

Fact is our traditional allies are evaporating we have very little value to them now days anyway, our global near neighbours outside of Australia do not share ancestory or ideology, you my not think religious or socialistic beliefs matters anymore, well it may not matter to you but it matters very much to them.

Dont be fooled and dont be stupid Bob Dylan said in a song that this world is not ruled by democracy its ruled by violence and this is true, you better hope and pray the Americans dont fade out becuase if they do there may be cause to be a little worried.

Call me an alarmist call me a fear monger i prefer to call myself a realist and a student of history.

Cheers.

**James Deuce** · 2nd May 2009, 21:18

That's "Paradigm".

Peace. Out.

**Headbanger** · 2nd May 2009, 21:28

Originally Posted by Mully

This entire argument is irrelevant - North Korea is goin to nuke the US with their superior military force.

We've had this discussion people - pay attention.

I believe the theory put forward by that youngbiker person (anyone know his current name?) was North Korea would ship their entire army around the world in imaginary boats and invade Florida. America would fall with a month.

**Mully** · 2nd May 2009, 21:42

Originally Posted by Headbanger

I believe the theory put forward by that youngbiker person (anyone know his current name?) .

No. Haven't seen him for a while.....

I believe the N Koreans would also remove their shirts so as to not get blood on them?

**Headbanger** · 2nd May 2009, 22:00

Originally Posted by Mully

No. Haven't seen him for a while.....

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ostcount=10055

**Genestho** · 3rd May 2009, 07:36

Originally Posted by Laxi

dont have any, I'm a lover not a fighter

I noted that, by your sig line

**Genestho** · 3rd May 2009, 07:38

Originally Posted by Mully

This entire argument is irrelevant - North Korea is goin to nuke the US with their superior military force.

We've had this discussion people - pay attention.

Sorry Dude, missed it!

**Genestho** · 3rd May 2009, 07:51

Australia building capabilities up over the next 20 years....20??

One would assume with the US a little busy and paying through the nose for the war machine...economic crisis.
Terrorism becoming the new war that can't be beat ...that China or North Korea could be fairly active within 20 years...?

IMHO...It doesn't matter who nukes the US, we will be left vulnerable in this location....