What is acceptable?

[Trudes]

Just because a bloke may not get upset at being sent an image like that, it doesn't necessarily mean to say he doesn't have a right to be upset by it. Nobody, male or female, deserves to be treated like that and have something so offensive sent to them.

As an earlier poster said - this is a community, and although it is lacking somewhat in terms of it being internet based, I don't think there's anything wrong with a community discussing what behaviour is acceptable and what isn't.

So the guys that a certain female member used to send pictures of naked men to in order to piss them off, they had every right to get upset and pissed about it? Funny, I recall a lot of laughter and comments of good job about it at the time.

[MsKABC]

So the guys that a certain female member used to send pictures of naked men to in order to piss them off, they had every right to get upset and pissed about it? Funny, I recall a lot of laughter and comments of good job about it at the time.

Technically, yeah - but I'm not familiar with that episode. I don't think I was frequenting KB much when that was happening. A picture of a naked man is a lot less offensive than the image in question on this occasion though, I think you'll agree?

[Mom]

So the guys that a certain female member used to send pictures of naked men to in order to piss them off, they had every right to get upset and pissed about it? Funny, I recall a lot of laughter and comments of good job about it at the time.

If they were homophobic certainly they could have been upset at the sight of a naked man in their face.

Naked men are far and away removed from what I am talking about.

Frankly, your comparing the naked men thing to that image surprises me

[Trudes]

Technically, yeah - but I'm not familiar with that episode. I don't think I was frequenting KB much when that was happening. A picture of a naked man is a lot less offensive than the image in question on this occasion though, I think you'll agree?

Yes, however I think the intent was the probably the same, to offend, annoy and get a reaction.

Anyway, I'm going to watch House and have a bath.... no I will not be providing pics, it's bound to offend someone!

[Trudes]

If they were homophobic certainly they could have been upset at the sight of a naked man in their face.

Naked men are far and away removed from what I am talking about.

Frankly, your comparing the naked men thing to that image surprises me

Surprise!!! I say again, the image didn't offend me, no it was not sent to me, but if it had been, i probably would have laughed and moved on.

[MsKABC]

Yes, however I think the intent was the probably the same, to offend, annoy and get a reaction.

But fueled by a much sicker mind, I'd be willing to bet

Anyway, I'm going to watch House and have a bath.... no I will not be providing pics, it's bound to offend someone!

[ajturbo]

Kick him in his hairy balls!

Wait, no...what are we talking about

Oh yeahthat...sorry - but I must be too much of a dirty bitch cos I kinda agree with Trudes on this one and would probably just return the favour and respond with something even more tasteless.

I know, I am just such a filthy bitch AND I should add - I apologise to any innocents I have offended or gotten in trouble...I am a bit of a naughty pic sender myself....I have ceased and desisted...for the most part

bugger...............

[Trudes]

I just realised I didn't respond to this:

As an earlier poster said - this is a community, and although it is lacking somewhat in terms of it being internet based, I don't think there's anything wrong with a community discussing what behaviour is acceptable and what isn't.

As much as I agree, and personally I think this person should be kicked off, I will repeat two pieces of information about KB that get said very very often...
1. KiwiBiker is not and has never been a democracy. So yes there is nothing wrong with the discussion, except it probably won't change anything except the growth of the naughty person's head for all the attention.
2. this is the internet, KiwiBiker is a web site, if I don't like what is on it, what I see or read or whatever I have the option of turning the thing off.... vote with my feet (or fingers as the case may be) and leave rather than getting upset about something I can't change.
Ok, that was all a bit deep, it was a most enjoyable bath.

[MsKABC]

As much as I agree, and personally I think this person should be kicked off, I will repeat two pieces of information about KB that get said very very often...
1. KiwiBiker is not and has never been a democracy. So yes there is nothing wrong with the discussion, except it probably won't change anything except the growth of the naughty person's head for all the attention.
2. this is the internet, KiwiBiker is a web site, if I don't like what is on it, what I see or read or whatever I have the option of turning the thing off.... vote with my feet (or fingers as the case may be) and leave rather than getting upset about something I can't change.
Ok, that was all a bit deep, it was a most enjoyable bath.

Yes, good points actually.

[DMNTD:Me]

1. KiwiBiker is not and has never been a democracy. So yes there is nothing wrong with the discussion, except it probably won't change anything except the growth of the naughty person's head for all the attention.
2. this is the internet, KiwiBiker is a web site, if I don't like what is on it, what I see or read or whatever I have the option of turning the thing off.... vote with my feet (or fingers as the case may be) and leave rather than getting upset about something I can't change.

...and or use the 'ignore button'.

[Trudes]

...and or use the 'ignore button'.

That works also.

[madbikeboy]

I just realised I didn't respond to this:


As much as I agree, and personally I think this person should be kicked off, I will repeat two pieces of information about KB that get said very very often...
1. KiwiBiker is not and has never been a democracy. So yes there is nothing wrong with the discussion, except it probably won't change anything except the growth of the naughty person's head for all the attention.
2. this is the internet, KiwiBiker is a web site, if I don't like what is on it, what I see or read or whatever I have the option of turning the thing off.... vote with my feet (or fingers as the case may be) and leave rather than getting upset about something I can't change.
Ok, that was all a bit deep, it was a most enjoyable bath.

Respectfully, I disagree.

There are social boundaries that need to be respected. I worked for a major mobile phone operator for a number of years - the balance was between censorship, protection for people, and freedom of speech. The decision around what was acceptable was decided early on this country, and there are rules and guidelines for usage policies.

Extending the argument to the net - the net is the wild west. Truly, with safe search off, you can find just about every fetish you can think of - but this is a motorcycle site, and the membership deserves a modicum of protection from unwanted and unsolicted pornographic material, or bullying for that matter. This is a community, I keep saying it - when we meet in places and see each other f2f, we build on the sense of community here.

Without basic rules and protection against unwanted and unsolicited objectional material, then in place of freedom of speech, the opposite happens for the recipient - their rights and protections disappear.

Number One has sent me rude images, but they have appropriate given the context. The situation described has caused offence, the intent was to cause offense... The difference should be clear.

It is my view that, while I don't want a nanny state here on KB, we should offer protection in line with societal norms.

[Ixion]

Respectfully, I disagree.

There are social boundaries that need to be respected. I worked for a major mobile phone operator for a number of years - the balance was between censorship, protection for people, and freedom of speech. The decision around what was acceptable was decided early on this country, and there are rules and guidelines for usage policies.

Extending the argument to the net - the net is the wild west. Truly, with safe search off, you can find just about every fetish you can think of - but this is a motorcycle site, and the membership deserves a modicum of protection from unwanted and unsolicted pornographic material, or bullying for that matter. This is a community, I keep saying it - when we meet in places and see each other f2f, we build on the sense of community here.

Without basic rules and protection against unwanted and unsolicited objectional material, then in place of freedom of speech, the opposite happens for the recipient - their rights and protections disappear.

Number One has sent me rude images, but they have appropriate given the context. The situation described has caused offence, the intent was to cause offense... The difference should be clear.

It is my view that, while I don't want a nanny state here on KB, we should offer protection in line with societal norms.

A biker site in line with societal norms is a contradiction in terms. The reason bikers are bikers is because they don't subscribe to those norms. If you do, go buy your Toyota Corolla and leave us alone.

And this site is not a community. We've been through all that. It's a web site nothing more. Once upon a time, it was a community, or growing toward being one. That got killed off. It's a web site No more, no less.

[Mom]

The ignore function is a useful tool for when members get up your nose for whatever reason. All very well for people to spout "use the ignore fuction" here. Imagine if your first real encounter with someone was a disgusting image in your face. All very easy to say use ignore. Too late for that then eh!

[Katman]

Half of you were baying for my banning not that long ago.

HTFU.