Power cut off, woman dies

**Flatcap** · 2nd June 2007, 12:44

Originally Posted by avgas

Also a friend of mine said that they have a WRX parked in the drive too!

...Perhaps they should have connected the oxygen pump to the turbo...

**avgas** · 2nd June 2007, 12:46

Originally Posted by Skyryder

"hard-nosed commercial attitude and, frankly, I don't want to be responsible for a state-owned enterprise that makes money out of misery"

She obviously doesnt know what the government does.
HA
Studylink, IRD etc
On another note, is Mercury energy the last little chunk of ECNZ that the govt held on to? (genuine question)

**avgas** · 2nd June 2007, 12:48

Originally Posted by Fairlie

...Perhaps they should have connected the oxygen pump to the turbo...

or the exhaust - depending on the families attitude at the time.
If i got a call from my dad/sister saying they were in trouble - I would drop everything, and cover the 200+K distance (as quick as possible - stuff the law in that situation).....just to make sure they were ok.
Not wait until i finished work and then pondered what to do.

**Flatcap** · 2nd June 2007, 12:54

Originally Posted by avgas

If i got a call from my dad/sister saying they were in trouble - I would drop everything, and cover the 200+K distance (as quick as possible - stuff the law in that situation).....just to make sure they were ok.
Not wait until i finished work and then pondered what to do.

Exactly.

If Nana's wheelchair got stuck in a pot hole while crossing the road, you would give her a push, not expect the traffic to swerve around her.

**Dave Lobster** · 2nd June 2007, 12:59

Originally Posted by avgas

Also a friend of mine said that they have a WRX parked in the drive too!

I thought that was compulsory for an (allegedly) underprivaledged family..

And, the poorer you are, the bigger the bean can welded onto the back of the exhaust.

I may be wrong.. but it looks like it from the state of the people you see/hear driving them.

**oldrider** · 2nd June 2007, 14:18

Originally Posted by avgas

On another note, is Mercury energy the last little chunk of ECNZ that the govt held on to? (genuine question)

NZED was made up of the following:
TransPower
Genesis
Mighty River
Meridian
Contact

Only Contact has been privatised. (Sold)

Trustpower was made up from existing power board companies generation facilities and their energy divisions following the split between lines and energy functions.

Following deregulation (not privatisation) the Government soaked up all the independent local power boards (energy divisions) by way of purchase.

This just left the old local power board line sections as monopoly carriers of the electricity to the consumer. (the line charges on your bill)

Trustpower was formed by some of the larger power boards who had their own generation plants prior to deregulation and who were big enough to survive, they also kept their own retail sections but sold their lines divisions.

The government now own and control much more of the New Zealand power system than they ever had control of "prior" to deregulation, so those who want to return to "State control" of the power system really don't have a clue of what they are talking about.

I hope that helps you to understand, Mercury was never part of NZED, the government gained control of it following "deregulation".

Southland Electric Power Authority was a strange kind of subsidiary of NZED but I can not remember the details of that set up now some one else may remember.

NZED was not Privatised, that is just a bit of brainwashing to bullshit the New Zealand public that it was, the government just ended up with a massive increase in control of the power industry.

Hope this helps. Cheers John.

**Skyryder** · 2nd June 2007, 18:09

I acknowledge your expetise on this issue OR. The problem with distingishing the difference between privatisation and deregulation is that not very many Kiwis take an active interest in such matters. They make little distinction between the two. There are a number of reasons for this but to me the most obvious is that both have CEO's whereas prior to deregulataion/privatisation the Minister was responsable. Now they hide behind the CEO of the SOE or in the case of the spying issue do not appear to take much notice of the Minister.

Without getting into the relative merits of deregulation/privatisation v control/regulation I think what has come to my attention in both the spy issue and the Mercury Energy debacle is that no-ones in charge, no correction, there appears to be one person in charge and neither can agree who that may be; the CEO or the Minister. I believe that therein lies the core to many of New Zealands problems.

Skyryder

**Lias** · 2nd June 2007, 19:02

Personally I'm going to boycott Mercury & Mighty River power for apologising and giving the family 10grand. Spineless fucking cowards should have stood their ground and refused to apologise and refused to give them a cent. Absolutely disgusted they caved in.

I really want to goto the funeral with a loudhailer and chant "Pay your fucking bills" or something to show how pissed off I am.

**oldrider** · 2nd June 2007, 20:29

Originally Posted by Lias

Personally I'm going to boycott Mercury & Mighty River power for apologising and giving the family 10grand. Spineless fucking cowards should have stood their ground and refused to apologise and refused to give them a cent. Absolutely disgusted they caved in.

I really want to goto the funeral with a loudhailer and chant "Pay your fucking bills" or something to show how pissed off I am.

I agree with Lias on that and I suspect that it was as a result of political pressure from Clark and cohorts!

All they had to do was call 111 and a bloody ambulance!

Bloody wankers, that loud mouthed union rep relative could have paid the bill himself but that would not be of any value to his political aspirations would it.

So now no more Islanders will have to pay for their electricity on time, if ever and then look forward to a cheque for $10,000 if they think their feelings are hurt.

This country is driving nuts with all the left wing PC bullshit that gets chucked around.

Pissed off, John.

**Delerium** · 2nd June 2007, 20:34

my bad, smart ass comment had already been made.

**Delerium** · 2nd June 2007, 20:38

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

I thought that was compulsory for an (allegedly) underprivaledged family..

And, the poorer you are, the bigger the bean can welded onto the back of the exhaust.

I may be wrong.. but it looks like it from the state of the people you see/hear driving them.

Have a drive through the poor parts of south auckland and see how many houses have a sky dish on them. row after row. I want a high paid job for doing sweet fa and I want it to come to my door and offer itself to me because im too lazy selfish and useless to go and look for one because that would take effort. Why do some of these people on benefits get paid more than me. I bust my ass to EARN my money, pay my bills and buy things I want. Then one of these asshats thinks he likes my things more than I do.

Its piss poor they gave them a handout, and sets a dangerous precedent. They USED the power, they need to pay for that service. They had plenty of opportunity before and duing the event to correct it. Mismanagement of their financial position isnt a reason for the power company to be put out of pocket. It appears the family didnt even ATTEMPT to sort the situation. There is no way that I will ever receive this lenancy because I beleive in paying your way and working to get ahead. I dont live like a sloth and care about the things I buy. People like this family have borowed items of mine in the past and the treat it like their own... with no respect.

Walk around the 'badlands' of poor socio economic areas... the properties are poorly maintained and the neighbourhoods are filthy... they DONT care.

**terbang** · 2nd June 2007, 20:48

This thread has just spiralled into nothing more than a racist hatred and xenophobic feeding frenzy based on scant fact. Listen to you all, jeez history reminds us that you will all be stuffing immigrants into gas chambers shortly. Shame on you all. Get the facts guys, these are also people you are talking about here, not animals. This is not what KB is about. Bah...

**oldrider** · 2nd June 2007, 20:51

Originally Posted by Skyryder

I acknowledge your expetise on this issue OR. The problem with distingishing the difference between privatisation and deregulation is that not very many Kiwis take an active interest in such matters. They make little distinction between the two. There are a number of reasons for this but to me the most obvious is that both have CEO's whereas prior to deregulataion/privatisation the Minister was responsable. Now they hide behind the CEO of the SOE or in the case of the spying issue do not appear to take much notice of the Minister.

Without getting into the relative merits of deregulation/privatisation v control/regulation I think what has come to my attention in both the spy issue and the Mercury Energy debacle is that no-ones in charge, no correction, there appears to be one person in charge and neither can agree who that may be; the CEO or the Minister. I believe that therein lies the core to many of New Zealands problems.

Skyryder

Sorry Skyryder, I dissagree.

The family individuals were in control, the power went off, "they" had time and authority to act in their "own" best interest and they failed to provide the necessaries of life for their Mother!

They didn't even attempt to save her, they just sat around and watched her die, just like the Kahui family did with those twins.

Whether Mercury should or should not, turn off supply to it's debtors, is a separate issue altogether!

That's what is wrong with our society, all the issues are emotionally clumped together to gain the best sensational / political impact, regardless of the facts or the consequences.

God help our grandchildren, if this behaviour continues unchecked!

John.

**Delerium** · 2nd June 2007, 20:57

Originally Posted by terbang

This thread has just spiralled into nothing more than a racist hatred and xenophobic feeding frenzy based on scant fact. Listen to you all, jeez history reminds us that you will all be stuffing immigrants into gas chambers shortly. Shame on you all. Get the facts guys, these are also people you are talking about here, not animals. This is not what KB is about. Bah...

Such as? I do think that the social problems of the darker skinned peoples compared to the more pale of us is A whole different topic.

**terbang** · 2nd June 2007, 21:03

Originally Posted by oldrider

They didn't even attempt to save her, they just sat around and watched her die, just like the Kahui family did with those twins.
John.

Surely you don't really believe that, she was their mother for fucks sake., Stand back, take a long breath and look at what you just said. Sick Polynesian woman dies and now its the same as the kahui twins. Have some respect for a WORKING immigrant family that have just lost a family member in a very public way...