The new HMNZS Canterbury

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Yeah......
How old are the B52s and when do they leave service

about the same age... but they have been in and out of retirement twice, and been refited and refurbished more times than the P3's. Over all on average the P3's have done more flying hours than the yanks b52s.

[sAsLEX]

when.. and at what, or who... ???

A squid boat

Although the RNZAF Skyhawks were never used for air-to-air combat, they were used on one occasion in the air-to-ground role. On 30 March 1976, two RNZAF Skyhawks, flown by F/Lt Jim Jennings and F/Lt John Herron, were required to head off a Taiwanese squid boat (Kin Nan - see above), which had been caught fishing inside New Zealand’s territorial waters. After the offending boat failed to stop for the naval patrol vessel HMNZS Taupo, Jennings fired warning shots into the sea in front of it. The Taiwanese captain had no problem in understanding the message the Skyhawks delivered and stopped his vessel immediately. This incident received world-wide media coverage and sent out a clear message that New Zealand was serious about protecting its borders and would use force if necessary.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

A squid boat

learn something new every day

[nudemetalz]

Granted that I didn't go into the Territorials for the money, I got paid $6.07 per hour and that's before the secondary income rate of 33% tax come off it.

Not a lot value when you think trained to be sent to war.

But I did get to play with some big guns !!

[Chrislost]

so they were theiving our fish then and now they do it (from within)

did you know that 23% of NZ is asian now! and thats not counting the "just visiting" ones

when will people realise there is enough

[Magua]

so they were theiving our fish then and now they do it (from within)

did you know that 23% of NZ is asian now! and thats not counting the "just visiting" ones

when will people realise there is enough

A little Xenophobic are we?

And 23%.. what?

[Wolf]

we need to get back on decent terms with the states so we have a real big friend should the shit hit the fan, ie like Australia have done.

You've gotta be kidding! Cosy-up to Curious George? Do his filthy work for him? Help him invade the next oil-rich country he desires to control?

If the shit ever hit the fan on a global scale the States would be the first ones invading - errrr, sorry, annexing - our fair country for use as a strategic territory.

Can you imagine how embarrassing it would be to be over-run by the scruffiest-looking, least-disciplined soldiers in the history of humankind for the SECOND TIME in a hundred years?

Is the Battle of Manners St no indication to you of what being on "friendly terms" with septic soldiers really means?

No offence intended to SARGE and Waylander who're both cool guys, no offence to the average US citizen, either.

It's those in-bred cousins-of-George who think "Freedom" doesn't apply to "niggers" and are too retarded to tell the difference between a Maori and an African that bug the shit out of me.

Them and the retarded War-Criminal-in-Chief issuing the orders.

[YLWDUC]

I'd like to see us focus a bit more on an anti shipping role, both on the water and in the air.

On the water I'd like to see us focus on AEGIS ships, Some sub's wouldnt go amiss either, some nice diesel or fuelcell hunterkillers. The german Type 214 looks quite appealing.

In the air we need some air superiority craft, I'm thinking F-15C's but I'm open to alternatives. We also need a platform to launch ASM's from, personally I'd go with B52's, And last but not least we need some land based Harpoons or similar ASM's for good measure as well.

What say you? (Especially you ex navy types)

Dreaming....

[YLWDUC]

I see it has a "25mm Naval gun" WW2 tanks had more firepower than this piece of junk! ... see what happens when you let a whale hugger run your millitary. Don't get started on to their wonderful idea of putting all of the airforce into the least number of bases possible

MOD didn't want the ship to be viewed as a 'combatant' with a large calibre gun, so they arranged for the poxy 25mm. Plus it uses the same ammo as the LAV's.

(And when they get really scared, they can park their 10 LAV passengers up on deck and turn it into one of them old man'o'wars

[oldrider]

You've gotta be kidding! Cosy-up to Curious George? Do his filthy work for him? Help him invade the next oil-rich country he desires to control?

IF you don't like the oil, don't use it then!

If the shit ever hit the fan on a global scale the States would be the first ones invading - errrr, sorry, annexing - our fair country for use as a strategic territory.

They were very welcome in the forties, if it wasn't them it would have been the Japs

Can you imagine how embarrassing it would be to be over-run by the scruffiest-looking, least-disciplined soldiers in the history of humankind for the SECOND TIME in a hundred years?

They were not too scruffy or undisciplined as I remember.

Is the Battle of Manners St no indication to you of what being on "friendly terms" with septic soldiers really means?

What you read and what really happened are not quite the same as I remember.

No offence intended to SARGE and Waylander who're both cool guys, no offence to the average US citizen, either.

It's those in-bred cousins-of-George who think "Freedom" doesn't apply to "niggers" and are too retarded to tell the difference between a Maori and an African that bug the shit out of me.

Them and the retarded War-Criminal-in-Chief issuing the orders.

Think about it, if Israel was to be defeated and the USA continued to lose face and ground and only be able to defend herself, just "who" would be interested, let alone "able" to defend us and Australia!

Helen Clark states that we live in a benign area of the world, how does she think it is going to stay that way with her "stated" policies, or by the policies that she knows we "must" adopt to survive!

The average age of the Indonesian "hordes" (who love us to bits) just above us is 24yrs, what is the average age of New Zealand and Australia and how many of our new people are loyal enough to want to defend us.

Does our armed force have the capability and equipment to even stall a determined invader, let alone defend us?

Wake up and smell the roses, like it or not, we need "Georgie boy" more than he needs us, despite what the socialists tell you! John.

[Magua]

What's all this about Indonesian Hordes? Have we ever been threatened by Indonesia? :P

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

MOD didn't want the ship to be viewed as a 'combatant' with a large calibre gun, so they arranged for the poxy 25mm. Plus it uses the same ammo as the LAV's.

it has more armament than HMNZS ENDEAVOUR, RESOLUTION, MANAWANUI which are un armed,

All the present inshore PC's only have one 50 cal machine gun. and they are class as a combatant

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

What's all this about Indonesian Hordes? Have we ever been threatened by Indonesia? :P

NZ hasn't but Oz has been at odds with them for many a year...

[Indiana_Jones]

What's all this about Indonesian Hordes? Have we ever been threatened by Indonesia? :P

I bet that's what the Pole's thought....

Those countries are over crowded and have limited reasources. Oh look there's a country with reasources and the door's wide open lol

-Indy

[Magua]

What resources do we have that Indonesia could want? Sheep? Fish?

Look at all the co-operation between Indonesia and Australia over recent years, aid etc. I don't see them throwing all that progress away..