The firearm thread

**Mr Merde** · 14th June 2007, 08:47

Originally Posted by scumdog

Fun but a waste of bullets.
Could only keep 8 shots out of a 10 shot burst (which I might add took about 1/3rd of a second to fire) on an old washing-machine lid at 15 yards.

1st shot hit the centre and prrrrp! the rest went wherever they felt like.

But definitely fun. Only went rock n roll a few times in my shooting history but every time was memorable.

Most vivid wasa the first. M16 on full auto, and the biggest, a .50 BMG mounted on an APC fired at dusk.

Had an AR15 cook off once and dump the contents of the mag. Frightening.

MP5s really good fun, controlled bursts, very quiet.

Mr

**Wolf** · 14th June 2007, 11:01

Originally Posted by scumdog

Fun but a waste of bullets.
Could only keep 8 shots out of a 10 shot burst (which I might add took about 1/3rd of a second to fire) on an old washing-machine lid at 15 yards.

1st shot hit the centre and prrrrp! the rest went wherever they felt like.

I'm aware of someone who stuck a match stick into a hole in the side of an old Stirling .22semi-auto and achieved a brief farting sound. the muzzle didn't jump about so all the rounds wound up in pretty much the same spot.

**Sniper** · 15th June 2007, 10:02

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

MP5s really good fun, controlled bursts, very quiet.

Mr

MP5SD is more fun

**scumdog** · 15th June 2007, 10:52

Originally Posted by Wolf

I'm aware of someone who stuck a match stick into a hole in the side of an old Stirling .22semi-auto and achieved a brief farting sound. the muzzle didn't jump about so all the rounds wound up in pretty much the same spot.

Hmm, try that at 50 yards, I'll bet there's a real scattering of holes on the target, even a .22 will jump just from the bolt/breech-block flying back and forwards and even a 2mm movement makes for quite a change in the point of impact.

Maybe one of you slide-rule jockeys can figure out how much change there is in point of impact there is at 50yards (metre?) with a 2mm muzzle jump??

**ManDownUnder** · 15th June 2007, 10:58

Originally Posted by scumdog

Hmm, try that at 50 yards, I'll bet there's a real scattering of holes on the target, even a .22 will jump just from the bolt/breech-block flying back and forwards and even a 2mm movement makes for quite a change in the point of impact.

Maybe one of you slide-rule jockeys can figure out how much change there is in point of impact there is at 50yards (metre?) with a 2mm muzzle jump??

'ow long's the barrel?

oh - rhetorical.

Without all the BS explanation, thats probably going to be around 120 to 150mm

**scumdog** · 15th June 2007, 11:02

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

'ow long's the barrel?

oh - rhetorical.

Without all the BS explanation, thats probably going to be around 120 to 150mm

And that would just be between two consecutive shots, - let alone mutiple ones.

**ManDownUnder** · 15th June 2007, 11:34

Originally Posted by scumdog

And that would just be between two consecutive shots, - let alone mutiple ones.

not for me it wouldn't (it'd be 500mm+.. at least!)

**ManDownUnder** · 15th June 2007, 11:38

Righto - 'a friend' bought a .17HMR this morning... the one one Tarde me I'm told... and they asked me to ask what the ideal scope would be for it...

3-9 x 40 mildot sounds good to me. My friend might put a bi pod on the front of it and take it longer distance rabbit popping... so a 12 power might be fun?

What do you suggest. My firned eagerly awaits.

Also - what diiference do good rings really make? I've always gone for just good old "whatever looks ok" brand but this friend of mine wants to know y'see..

**jrandom** · 15th June 2007, 11:42

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

mildot

I wouldn't bother with a mildot scope or other optical ranging device. With .17HMR, once you're out of the 2" or so point-blank vertical stringing range from about 125m, the teensy bullet has lost so much energy that achieving meaningful hits is going to be dicey at best.

Anyway, can you even get variable mildot scopes? The marks on the crosshair would have to somehow move as you zoomed in.

3-9x sounds good though, and I'd look for something with a big aperture, something that works well in low light for shootin' wee critters at sunset.

**ManDownUnder** · 15th June 2007, 11:46

http://www.opticsplanet.net/bush-rs-bnr-716244.html

Originally Posted by Fish

I wouldn't bother with a mildot scope or other optical ranging device. With .17HMR, once you're out of the 2" or so point-blank vertical stringing range from about 125m, the teensy bullet has lost so much energy that achieving meaningful hits is going to be dicey at best.

Anyway, can you even get variable mildot scopes? The marks on the crosshair would have to somehow move as you zoomed in.

3-9x sounds good though, and I'd look for something with a big aperture, something that works well in low light for shootin' wee critters at sunset.

**jrandom** · 15th June 2007, 11:50

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

http://www.opticsplanet.net/bush-rs-bnr-716244.html

Oh, well, there you go. Cool.

But that's a scope for 4500fps centerfire varminting cartridges, .204 Ruger and the like, not rimfires. Overkill for a .17HMR, IMHO.

**ManDownUnder** · 15th June 2007, 11:56

Originally Posted by Fish

Oh, well, there you go. Cool.

But that's a scope for 4500fps centerfire varminting cartridges, .204 Ruger and the like, not rimfires. Overkill for a .17HMR, IMHO.

Yeah - that's just what showed up on the Bushnell pages... (Ctrl F is my friend)

**Swoop** · 15th June 2007, 15:07

What a coincidence that your friend has a login which is very similar...

3-9 varipower with a 50mm objective lens sounds nice. If shooting dawn/dusk the bigger the better.
Forget the mil-dot.

Don't buy "bargain basement" rings. It is fantastic to have an accurate rifle. It is fantastic to have the best scope possible. The rings are the only connection between the two!

Talk to Scotty at Reloaders.

**jrandom** · 15th June 2007, 15:19

Originally Posted by Swoop

Forget the mil-dot.

Yeah.

Further on this... I mean, if one is buying toys, well, me personally, anyway, I'd rather have a laser rangefinder. Mil dots are a poor substitute; they're just a crutch to assist visual range estimation, and still require mental arithmetic to work with.

I betcha that 90% of recreational shooters with mil dot scopes don't actually know how to use them properly, don't know the exact trajectory of the loads they're shooting and haven't zeroed their weapon for optimal point-blank range. They probably just like the WW2 U-boat feel of having extra shit on their crosshairs.

**Drunken Monkey** · 15th June 2007, 16:47

Originally Posted by Fish

...I betcha that 90% of recreational shooters with mil dot scopes don't actually know how to use them properly, don't know the exact trajectory of the loads they're shooting and haven't zeroed their weapon for optimal point-blank range. They probably just like the WW2 U-boat feel of having extra shit on their crosshairs.

..and your problem with that is...? LOL

It's the same reason we'd all go hunting with MSSA's if it wasn't so much trouble these days...You know exactly what I mean.