The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Indiana_Jones]

That's what they'd have us think, unless of course you're a free thinker and don't drink water laced with flouride. Or is that a conspiracy too?

I drink my water from the tap!

-Indy

[Quasievil]

I wouldn't base my convictions on anything that Ian Wishart wrote, I mean c'mon he's a far right Christian who runs a conspiracy theory magazine (Inverstigate) that quotes the Old Testament to explain truths to readers.
The moon landings never happened and I suppose Elvis told him that?

You dont have to, he is one in thousands saying the same thing including 31000 scientists you have signed a petition stating global warming is not man made, can you lead me to a petition or signatory list of even 500 saying the opposite ? no you cant and the reason you cant is because its a scam

[davereid]

So let me get this right, taxing people more money will save the world.

Carbon Taxes target the poor.

Food, electricity and transport will all go up. It will be hard on those on fixed and low incomes but it will hurt business much less, if at all, as it will be applied equally to all similar businesses.

For example, if you make cheese, and carbon taxes put up the price of milk, and electricity, you just pass it on to the consumer.

It will just be another input cost - you add up all the input costs, multiply by your profit margin, adjust up or down to match competitor, and job done.

The only threat is that the consumer becomes so poor he gives up cheese. But relative to other producers, your cheese is just the same price.

[Indiana_Jones]

So like where does the money go?

Someone is making a killing here

-Indy

[Tony W]

TV1 7.30pm tonight.

Gareth Morgan on "Global Warming".

Let's have a look to see what he reckons.

[peasea]

I drink my water from the tap!

-Indy

Complete with your daily dose of flouride. Not your choice, the council made that decision for you.

[Skyryder]

You dont have to, he is one in thousands saying the same thing including 31000 scientists you have signed a petition stating global warming is not man made, can you lead me to a petition or signatory list of even 500 saying the opposite ? no you cant and the reason you cant is because its a scam

This petition was started by Fredrick Seitz a respected metallurgist, not a climatologist. This guy was emplyoyed by the Tobacco Industry to dispute the link between tobbaco and cancer. That in itself should give an indication of this man's credibility on subjects that he has little knowledge of.

The petition that you speak of is an up dated version of the 1995 declaration. It stated
The 1995 declaration asserts:

"There does not exist today a general scientific consensus about the importance of greenhouse warming from rising levels of carbon dioxide. On the contrary, most scientists now accept the fact that actual observations from earth satellites show no climate warming whatsoever."

The latter statement was broadly accurate at the time, but with additional data and correction of errors, all analyses of satellite temperature measurements now show statistically-significant warming.
According to the SEPP website, there were 79 signatures to the 1995 declaration, including Fredrick Seitz. The signature list was last updated on July 16 1996 Of these 79, 33 failed to respond when the SEPP asked them to sign the 1997 declaration. The SEPP calls the signatories "nearly 100 climate experts".
The signatures to the 1995 declaration were disputed by David Olinger of the St. Petersburg Times. In an article on July 29 1996 he revealed that many signers, including Chauncy Starr, Robert Balling and Patrick Michaels have received funding from the oil industry, while others had no scientific training or could not be identified.
The petition is an American petition and not supported globally. It would be interesting to know how many of the signatories are registered Republicans have no qualification on in the climate sciences or indeed have authentic degrees.

If this is the sort of info (petition that you quote) that you have got from this book I'd toss it down the dunny, better still recycle it and help save the planet.


Skyryder

[Indiana_Jones]

Complete with your daily dose of flouride. Not your choice, the council made that decision for you.

Tastes like water to me

-Indy

[Hitcher]

Complete with your daily dose of flouride. Not your choice, the council made that decision for you.

Funny that nobody has ever died or had their health compromised from drinking fluoridated tap water.

[Quasievil]

TV1 7.30pm tonight.

Gareth Morgan on "Global Warming".

Let's have a look to see what he reckons.

As I predicted before it started, but what would you expect from an economist with a scientist in his pocket.
1/References where not backed up and factually incorrect and virtualy no data and the data that was used was incorrect
2/Who are the leading scientists?
3/ Some earth saving product endorsements, carbon machine and a new book

to me it read like a advertorial

what a load of crap and shame on TVNZ for presenting a one eyed factually floored presentation on what should be investigative journalism

[Jantar]

This petition was started by Fredrick Seitz a respected metallurgist, not a climatologist. This guy was emplyoyed by the Tobacco Industry to dispute the link between tobbaco and cancer. That in itself should give an indication of this man's credibility on subjects that he has little knowledge of.

The petition that you speak of is an up dated version of the 1995 declaration. It stated ....

Actually, NO!

The declaration talked about is the Manhatton declaration http://www.climatescienceinternation...id=37&Itemid=1

The Chairman was : Professor R. Timothy Patterson, PhD (Canada)
This declaration has absolutely nothing to do with the 1995 petition.

Have a look at the signatures you may even recognise some.

[Tony W]

As I predicted before it started, but what would you expect from an economist with a scientist in his pocket.
1/References where not backed up and factually incorrect and virtualy no data and the data that was used was incorrect
2/Who are the leading scientists?
3/ Some earth saving product endorsements, carbon machine and a new book

to me it read like a advertorial

what a load of crap and shame on TVNZ for presenting a one eyed factually floored presentation on what should be investigative journalism

It did seem rather pro-warming and did not have any opinion from a sceptic.

[peasea]

Funny that nobody has ever died or had their health compromised from drinking fluoridated tap water.

Maybe the flouride made them so compliant that they never complained??

[peasea]

Tastes like water to me

-Indy

Are you sure it's not Teen Spirit?

[MacD]

Having read 'Eve's Bite' and 'Absolute Power' by Ian Wishart I know that he researchs his books well and anything he writes is above reproach. I plan to get Air Con and expect it will be a pretty heavy read but well worth the effort

Having had personal knowledge of a situation "revealed" in one of his exposes (not ones listed above) I know that his books are sensationalist garbage using highly selective and out of context research!