Improvements to Winter Series, well done VMCC!

[Tony.OK]

No it doesn't. If you are so petty as to deny more talented riders on smaller bikes the opportunity to race with you, on an otherwise empty grid, well, what can I say. And what about all the other racers who have also paid to enter, and only race in one class, shall we make a special class for them too? Say, for example, the Samsung second chance series?

Maybe you should voice your concerns with the VMCC.................calling me petty won't get ya far............hell I'm not even doin the winter series.

Is there something wrong with trying to boost support for what is supposed to be the elite class?

[flame]

F2 riders and others through cross entering still get 4 races.

Make sense??

not all of them.....some dont qualify for the class above their own. But they dont seem to mind. To qualify, means your good enough after all . Nor do they have a problem that F3 riders cross enter into f2, which can knock out some of the f2 bikes! But thats racing and its fair in my mind.

Seemed like it would have been perhaps a good idea to run the LG class as 'top 30 fastest bikes over the day' or something. Im sure all the F1 bikes would qualify. Just a thought.

[cowpoos]

No it doesn't. If you are so petty as to deny more talented riders on smaller bikes the opportunity to race with you, on an otherwise empty grid, well, what can I say. And what about all the other racers who have also paid to enter, and only race in one class, shall we make a special class for them too? Say, for example, the Samsung second chance series?

streetstock and superbikes are the only ones that can't x-enter...now the idea behind this is to reward those that step up to superbikes...the premier class. of which is suffering at national level. it needs more numbers...so vic club/LG inititive is fantastic!! and will hopefully incourage more riders to step up from 600's [who will still get 4 races and superbikes only 3]...

So what is it your exactly whinging about??? we could just say no x entering...then everyone will get 2 races???

[cowpoos]

F3 riders cross enter into f2, which can knock out some of the f2 bikes! But thats racing and its fair in my mind.

Thats not particularly fair Hun...[and I think its been addressed]...if you drove all the way from auckland to race f2...and didn't make qualifing because a whole heap of F3 riders out qualified you...so you had to go home...you'd be pissed!![well you also get pissed...and that fair enough too...mind you..you'd get piss regardless :P ] especially if you made the 115% cut off.

[flame]

Thats not particularly fair Hun...[and I think its been addressed]...if you drove all the way from auckland to race f2...and didn't make qualifing because a whole heap of F3 riders out qualified you...so you had to go home...you'd be pissed!![well you also get pissed...and that fair enough too...mind you..you'd get piss regardless :P ] especially if you made the 115% cut off.

LOL....I ALWAYS make the cut off , and I get a little pizzzd when the leathers are hung up at days end. And NO!!!! if I didn't qualify I'd just go and get pizzzd, not 'pizzzzzd off'. I would accept that I just needed to lift my game!

[Shaun P]

make sense??
No it doesn't. If you are so petty as to deny more talented riders on smaller bikes the opportunity to race with you, on an otherwise empty grid, well, what can I say. And what about all the other racers who have also paid to enter, and only race in one class, shall we make a special class for them too? Say, for example, the Samsung second chance series?

streetstock and superbikes are the only ones that can't x-enter...now the idea behind this is to reward those that step up to superbikes...the premier class. of which is suffering at national level. it needs more numbers...so vic club/LG inititive is fantastic!! and will hopefully incourage more riders to step up from 600's [who will still get 4 races and superbikes only 3]...

So what is it your exactly whinging about??? we could just say no x entering...then everyone will get 2 races???

It may not happen overnight with regard to boosting superbike numbers but its a great step in the right direction.

[ktm]

So what is it your exactly whinging about??? we could just say no x entering...then everyone will get 2 races???[/QUOTE]

Mate it's not me "whingeing" at all. Read again, I reckon that if you can ride a smaller, less powerful bike then if you qualify then you should be able to enter what ever you can. No one forced anyone to buy and race a thousand cc bike, they chose it themselves. And if some one else chose to ride a six hundred, and can ride it faster than a bigger bike, well, good on them. But now class LG get their own race, at the expense of ALL the other entrants track time, cos they can't compete against six hundreds on a level playing field? And it costs the same for clubmans, and they can't cross enter, and it's usually clubmans races that get cut if there's problems elsewhere. Fair for all is what I am saying.

[cowpoos]

Mate it's not me "whingeing" at all. Read again, I reckon that if you can ride a smaller, less powerful bike then if you qualify then you should be able to enter what ever you can. No one forced anyone to buy and race a thousand cc bike, they chose it themselves. And if some one else chose to ride a six hundred, and can ride it faster than a bigger bike, well, good on them. But now class LG get their own race, at the expense of ALL the other entrants track time, cos they can't compete against six hundreds on a level playing field? And it costs the same for clubmans, and they can't cross enter, and it's usually clubmans races that get cut if there's problems elsewhere. Fair for all is what I am saying.

ummmm...I think its a great step forward.

So what class do you race in?

[ktm]

So what is it your exactly whinging about??? we could just say no x entering...then everyone will get 2 races???[/QUOTE]

Mate it's not me "whingeing" at all. Read again, I reckon that if you can ride a smaller, less powerful bike then if you qualify then you should be able to enter what ever you can. No one forced anyone to buy and race a thousand cc bike, they chose it themselves. And if some one else chose to ride a six hundred, and can ride it faster than a bigger bike, well, good on them. But now class LG get their own race, at the expense of ALL the other entrants track time, cos they can't compete against six hundreds on a level playing field? And it costs the same for clubmans, and they can't cross enter, and it's usually clubmans races that get cut if there's problems elsewhere. Fair for all is what I am saying.

[Billy]

So what is it your exactly whinging about??? we could just say no x entering...then everyone will get 2 races???

Mate it's not me "whingeing" at all. Read again, I reckon that if you can ride a smaller, less powerful bike then if you qualify then you should be able to enter what ever you can. No one forced anyone to buy and race a thousand cc bike, they chose it themselves. And if some one else chose to ride a six hundred, and can ride it faster than a bigger bike, well, good on them. But now class LG get their own race, at the expense of ALL the other entrants track time, cos they can't compete against six hundreds on a level playing field? And it costs the same for clubmans, and they can't cross enter, and it's usually clubmans races that get cut if there's problems elsewhere. Fair for all is what I am saying.[/QUOTE]

Yeah,But unfortunately you cant please everybody all the time and the clubs only do what they think needs to be done to improve their own series and as long as its done safely then its all good

[slowpoke]

Mate it's not me "whingeing" at all. Read again, I reckon that if you can ride a smaller, less powerful bike then if you qualify then you should be able to enter what ever you can. No one forced anyone to buy and race a thousand cc bike, they chose it themselves. And if some one else chose to ride a six hundred, and can ride it faster than a bigger bike, well, good on them. But now class LG get their own race, at the expense of ALL the other entrants track time, cos they can't compete against six hundreds on a level playing field? And it costs the same for clubmans, and they can't cross enter, and it's usually clubmans races that get cut if there's problems elsewhere. Fair for all is what I am saying.

So just how is a Superbike rider ever supposed to compete on an equal footing with a 600 pilot if they can only ever get 1/2 the track time? It's not just about horsepower fella, take a look at just how much time is spent at wide open throttle compared to cornering on Taupo short track and you could argue that lighter, more nimble 600's have an advantage over 1000's.

In your world who said that the best most talented riders should get the most track time? If that were the case how would others ever hope to improve and compete?

We all pay the same money to enter, the same money to travel, put the same effort into our bikes, so we should all have the same opportunity to get on track, simple as that As it used to stand Superbikes have been the poor cousins only ever having getting half the opportunity's compared to other classes. This move is redressing what has been a major imbalance. To argue that the other classes are suffering is non-sensical, they still have the opportunity to spend more time on track than Superbikes do.

Yup, Clubman's can only enter one class....but they have the opportunity and incentive to step up and increase their race time.

Or we could have just left things as they were, and watched the few remaining superbike pilots move to other classes, and the class dies a quiet death. There is less for a sponsor to get excited about, we are further away from seeing our young talent in WSB/MotoGP, further from TV coverage, etc.

I really don't see your problem. How does someone supporting a superbike class differ from them deciding to support streetstocks or 600's or any class? Why would you attack them for it? If Joes Plumbing backs a streetstock bike then after having a good time and/or getting good exposure decides to then support the class as a whole they should be applauded. Instead we have whinging why other classes aren't eligible to compete.

LG are putting a great effort into resurrecting Superbike/F1, and instead of whinging, get your arse on a superbike and join in the fun.

[Shaun P]

Mate it's not me "whingeing" at all. Read again, I reckon that if you can ride a smaller, less powerful bike then if you qualify then you should be able to enter what ever you can. No one forced anyone to buy and race a thousand cc bike, they chose it themselves. And if some one else chose to ride a six hundred, and can ride it faster than a bigger bike, well, good on them. But now class LG get their own race, at the expense of ALL the other entrants track time, cos they can't compete against six hundreds on a level playing field? And it costs the same for clubmans, and they can't cross enter, and it's usually clubmans races that get cut if there's problems elsewhere. Fair for all is what I am saying.

There are 2 things happening here, the creation of a national superstock 1000 class and more winter track time to make it even out currently what 600's etc already get. 600's can still cross enter into the other F1 race/s, argue with yourself if you want, you might get somewhere.

[driftn]

[QUOTE=ktm
No it doesn't. If you are so petty as to deny more talented riders on smaller bikes the opportunity to race with you, on an otherwise empty grid, well, what can I say. And what about all the other racers who have also paid to enter, and only race in one class, shall we make a special class for them too? Say, for example, the Samsung second chance series?[/QUOTE]



How to turn a good positive thread in to another wank fest.

Cut a long story short, Its called SUPER BIKE tell me when has there been a 600cc super bike? 600cc are able to get 4 races 1000cc only get 2 thats hardly fair is it. If you actually grew a pair and did decide to take your super puke racing you would be bound to see where the rest of us are coming from.
Now go and play around on NZ dating or some thing.

[White trash]

make sense??

No it doesn't. If you are so petty as to deny more talented riders on smaller bikes the opportunity to race with you, on an otherwise empty grid, well, what can I say. And what about all the other racers who have also paid to enter, and only race in one class, shall we make a special class for them too? Say, for example, the Samsung second chance series?[/QUOTE]
Got nothing to do with pettiness, why are there no 600s racing in the Superbike class at NAtionals or street meetings?

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPERBIKES

[j-lo69]

No it doesn't. If you are so petty as to deny more talented riders on smaller bikes the opportunity to race with you, on an otherwise empty grid, well, what can I say. And what about all the other racers who have also paid to enter, and only race in one class, shall we make a special class for them too? Say, for example, the Samsung second chance series?

Got nothing to do with pettiness, why are there no 600s racing in the Superbike class at NAtionals or street meetings?

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPERBIKES[/QUOTE]


its a good thing for superbikes agreed.
but is it really going to draw a full grid of superbikes???
L G an vmcc have made a big move an invested alot which is good for the sport but is a extra race or 2 gona make the diff? i find it hard to beleve.
is it gona get people to buy a thou an race all year?
good on L G an vmcc gess well see how well this class is gona be.