Some more ideas on growing the Nationals

[codgyoleracer]

Please then spell out those agendas. Im curious.

In essence its the drive behind the use of the word "dangerous" within a sport that is inherently high risk - but however does have some aspects of it that could be called "dangerous" .

IMO the word "dangerous" might be used in our sport for instance when severe wet weather creates standing water (but not when it is simply normal rain & a wet track). It might also be used to describe certain circuits that have zero run-off & dead ends (but not when there might be limited run-off), It might be used in respect of a machine specification such as one having sharp objects protruding from it that could injure the rider or other riders in a fall (but it is not used when some attempt is made to soften the ends of handlebars, footpegs & levers). It might be used when a rider attempts to ride in the rain on slick tyres - (but is not used because one riders tyres are slightly more worn than anothers)

IMO - it is unlikley to be used in an instance when one riders shock absorber may be a different spec to anothers........or when their set-up might not be quite as good as anothers

This is getting off subject from this thread Mr Taylor !, P.S , when do the big piston fork systems arrive ?

Glen

[Quasievil]

tag saying quasi=blowarse ???? there is the trouble with Kiwibiker, put an idea and some gutless twat has a go at you, name yaself or come see me, im easy to find

[Shaun S]

tag saying quasi=blowarse ???? there is the trouble with Kiwibiker, put an idea and some gutless twat has a go at you, name yaself or come see me, im easy to find

Don't bother yourself mate, just walk away.

You have contributed to this thread in a good way, dont lower yourself now.

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

Havin a event every few weeks in the back block hick towns in NZ aint going to get what you want I say Do the whole nationals race event over one long bloody weekend in one spot ie Hampton Downs, why does it need to be a prolonged series anyway
One event over three days with support races, entertainment at night the whole show chuck in the NZ bike show get a camp ground going on as well chuck everything at it in one big bang.

I guarantee you absolutely the following

1/ bigger crowds (fucking massive)
2/bigger and better sponsorship (they will all want to be involved)
3/ Better TV Coverage
4/ Lower costs for all competitors (bigger and full fields)
5/ More international riders

Complete satisfaction from all sectors (argue me wrong)

Fuck imagine it be bloody awesome !!!

Thats my answer for what its worth

That is a VERY GOOD idea!
It would ease the financial burdon as you arent pooring massive money into diesel to get you all over the country for 5 rounds, food, accomodation etc. Lost earnings from time off work is reduced, time with family etc is increased. It also would ensure more advertising/promotion budget and ultimately more exposure and more excitement.

[Quasievil]

The way I see it as a sales marketing kinda guy its a simple process to make the NZ Nationals a bigger and a more successful event for all but you cannot have everything in my view.
If you are wanting big crowds and therefore big sponsorship dollars having a round in the middle of nowhere every few weeks is not going to attract the crowds and there it is not going to attract the sponsor dollar.
The Nationals are dragged out for far to long over the whole country making it a drip by drip event and a expensive event for those participating, and in fact a prohibitive event for many to enter, what was it 9 bikes last round and possibly a cancellation??
The way it is being done presently clearly doesnt work and will never work in my view, and despite some moron cockless twat tagging me as a blowarse I still say you need to have the entire event run over a long weekend at a location near a main population ie Hampton Downs.

Look at other motorsport events such as A1 GP, the Hamilton 400 very successful events, if any of them were run over 3-4 months the event wouldnt be covered as much on TV, the crowds would be smaller and sponsorship dollar would be smaller, and I guarantee you the number of entries would be smaller, I will also go so far as to say bikes are far more exciting!!

I also believe that doing it this way would encourage greater rider numbers at club level events due to the need for more track time as opposed to riders solely aiming for the Nationals rounds and picking of a few club rounds for setup and practice purposes.

The disadvantage (if it is even one) is you wont be racing on every track in the country in the nationals series, but does that matter ?? at club level you will still be doing those tracks if you like.

As I mentioned in my earlier post I guarantee that the event if held in the way I advocate will without any doubt solve every problem currently noted by you and I say again

1/ bigger crowds (fucking massive)
2/bigger and better sponsorship (they will all want to be involved)
3/ Better TV Coverage
4/ Lower costs for all competitors (bigger and full fields)
5/ More international riders

AND I BET WITH THAT PRIZEMONEY FOR THE RIDERS !!

Oh my other idea was also out the back run a NZ Motard championship at the same time.

[Robert Taylor]

In essence its the drive behind the use of the word "dangerous" within a sport that is inherently high risk - but however does have some aspects of it that could be called "dangerous" .

IMO the word "dangerous" might be used in our sport for instance when severe wet weather creates standing water (but not when it is simply normal rain & a wet track). It might also be used to describe certain circuits that have zero run-off & dead ends (but not when there might be limited run-off), It might be used in respect of a machine specification such as one having sharp objects protruding from it that could injure the rider or other riders in a fall (but it is not used when some attempt is made to soften the ends of handlebars, footpegs & levers). It might be used when a rider attempts to ride in the rain on slick tyres - (but is not used because one riders tyres are slightly more worn than anothers)

IMO - it is unlikley to be used in an instance when one riders shock absorber may be a different spec to anothers........or when their set-up might not be quite as good as anothers

This is getting off subject from this thread Mr Taylor !, P.S , when do the big piston fork systems arrive ?

Glen

Glen, you have blown my use of the word ''dangerous'' out of all proportion, my intent was that you minimise the risks and therefore dont have a rules culture that invites needless further risks. That is also the intent of having ''sound'' suspension and reasonably sticky tyres. Facts you are abundantly aware of.

Big piston forks, hmmmmm. The jurys out on that one. Hardly a resounding success in racing circles thus far and there are a few issues that are created such as a very narrow adjustment range. I think many are victims of media hype on this one.
Still awaiting further elaboration about your statement re ''agendas''. Pray tell!

[Robert Taylor]

That is a VERY GOOD idea!
It would ease the financial burdon as you arent pooring massive money into diesel to get you all over the country for 5 rounds, food, accomodation etc. Lost earnings from time off work is reduced, time with family etc is increased. It also would ensure more advertising/promotion budget and ultimately more exposure and more excitement.

While I am in two minds about a championship being confined within a weekend or two you have firmly hit the nail on the head with where the major cost are.

[Robert Taylor]

tag saying quasi=blowarse ???? there is the trouble with Kiwibiker, put an idea and some gutless twat has a go at you, name yaself or come see me, im easy to find

Even if I didnt agree with what you say Quasi ( you actually have made many good points ) I fully agree with your view on taglines, IT IS GUTLESS.

[Grey Beard]

Havin a event every few weeks in the back block hick towns in NZ aint going to get what you want I say Do the whole nationals race event over one long bloody weekend in one spot ie Hampton Downs, why does it need to be a prolonged series anyway
One event over three days with support races, entertainment at night the whole show chuck in the NZ bike show get a camp ground going on as well chuck everything at it in one big bang.

I guarantee you absolutely the following

1/ bigger crowds (fucking massive)
2/bigger and better sponsorship (they will all want to be involved)
3/ Better TV Coverage
4/ Lower costs for all competitors (bigger and full fields)
5/ More international riders

Complete satisfaction from all sectors (argue me wrong)

Fuck imagine it be bloody awesome !!!

Thats my answer for what its worth

Interesting thought Quasievil.

Let's look at some events within Motorcycling:

Junior Motocross Champs

Classic Festival

Burt Munro

Just to mention a few. All run over one weekend and are all very successful

Kartsport New Zealand has run their Nationals, this way for years.

With the down turn in the economy etc etc Why not try IT

I am sure that the "Good Old Boys" who have guarded their rights to run the likes of the Grand Prixs and the TTs for years, will still run those events so what exactly will be lost.

[Shaun]

No cheaper than the cheap shot that inspired my reply.

Is it possible to act like CHILDREN at home please, and not interfare in a fantastic healthy thread

[BJT666]

Great Idea Quasievil and Grey Beard.

Only downside is Hampton Downs.

I drove pass yesterday, can't see it being ready for events in JUNE.

Shit loads of machinery sitting around, they appear to be putting in front straight Armco or at least some sort of barrier and they were working on the driveway behind the apartments. But not much else?????

But the Nationals are not till January, here's hoping.

[Shaun]

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well teretonga is a bloody long way to go!! we have the streets!!! you be at wanga's this year?[/QUOT

Bringing street races into the nats would be a huge backward step as far as rider safety is concerned.

I as a true ROAD racing freak, fully agree with you mate!

[Shaun]

Great Idea Quasievil and Grey Beard.

Only downside is Hampton Downs.

I drove pass yesterday, can't see it being ready for events in JUNE.

Shit loads of machinery sitting around, they appear to be putting in front straight Armco or at least some sort of barrier and they were working on the driveway behind the apartments. But not much else?????

But the Nationals are not till January, here's hoping.

I stopped there on Saturday night and walked around it all! I cannot see it being ready untill at least 2010 some time, MAYBE june ish

[wharfy]

I agree Wharfy the statistics may look ok on paper for the streets verses the track.............. however make those street meetings part of a national champs and the speed/commitment from riders would dramatically increase....so would accidents. Its a shame that street meetings cant be incorperated but as previously stated its the reasom the IOM was removed from F1 champs, although many top riders contracts stated that they were not allowed to race at the IOM for a few years leading up to its demise.

Much as I'd like to, I don't think we can compare Wanganui with the IOM.
I have raced Wanganui admittedly my speed was a long way below the superbike leaders but the speeds are not nearly as high as a track ( I only used 2nd gear on the Hornet and I have heard other faster riders say the same ).
I don't think Stroudy, Jones or Shirriffs were holding back.
As I say I have not seen any statistics so I have no idea whether Wanganui is more or less dangerous on paper (or hospital beds) than Pukekohe (which I haven't raced at yet) and with the greatest respect to our top riders, they aren't on million dollar contracts.
Check out the link below not many of the National superbike riders were absent from Wanganui last year as far as I can tell only Budgen.
I can feel a poll coming on


http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1027768

[Maido]

There are some great ideas being banded about here, again.
I agree with the point that street racing shouldn't be part of the nationals. I myself do not street race, I love the spectical but don't like the increased risk factor. Maybe I am a wuss and should harden up perhaps lol!


This is my stance:
I come from Invercargill (baaa! cold weather, rain, 6 fingers etc, yes I hear it all the time), to be fair it is a long way from Auckland and other centers so travel is an issue, but transversely it is an issue for us southerners to go the other way, i beleive there should be a little give and take here. There is nothing stopping groups of people organising containers to cater for numerous bikes (I know Anthony McCarthy had a container sent here one year to save costs, this meant he also had a pit shed for the weekend.

The main reason for me doing the nationals is to improve my riding ability and then pass that knowledge back into the Southland. Be it through training other riders or just racing hard and having people better them selves by trying to catch me. It is very hard to improve if you only have one national weekend to try. I do agree that a single round would draw more spectators, and having a single event allows distrubutors to put all their eggs in one basket, but this is the New Zealand road race national SERIES. A champion shouldn't be crowned cos he was able to spend more time at a track and dial his/her bike in bettter than the other guys. A series grows consistancy and race craft. We already have single races that come with titles within the series (TT and NZGP).

I think a series is paramount if we want to push forward. I strongly believe that although the faster riders will always be fast, the gap back to the not quite riders (such as myself) will continue to grow, this will have a negative effect. I was able to improve over ethe course fo the series this year to the final race where I was within 1 second of the leading riders. If i had one race every year to try this then I would probably crash more often than not.

my 2c!
Jeremy