Work for the dole Yes/no?

**steve_t** · 29th May 2009, 19:32

In think in Australia they actually have to prove they've gone to a certain number of job interviews per month to continue to receive the benefit. Sounds like a good plan for us too.
Training sounds good too but the ones that don't want to work/train will ruin it for those who genuinely want to work. If you have the apathetic ones building your house, how long would it take and how long til it leaks and rots? I don't think the guys that bust their asses to become Master Builders etc would be especially happy

**reofix** · 29th May 2009, 19:33

how about this... between 17 and 65 we are entitled to 3 years of state support... use it as a student ... its gone... use it as unemployment ...its gone... never use it and pick up 100 k the day you turn 65... its a plan!!!

**peasea** · 29th May 2009, 19:38

Originally Posted by reofix

how about this... between 17 and 65 we are entitled to 3 years of state support... use it as a student ... its gone... use it as unemployment ...its gone... never use it and pick up 100 k the day you turn 65... its a plan!!!

Mind you, if a student went out and got a good job, then got made redundant through no fault of their own.......erm?

**peasea** · 29th May 2009, 19:39

Originally Posted by steve_t

In think in Australia they actually have to prove they've gone to a certain number of job interviews per month to continue to receive the benefit. Sounds like a good plan for us too.
Training sounds good too but the ones that don't want to work/train will ruin it for those who genuinely want to work. If you have the apathetic ones building your house, how long would it take and how long til it leaks and rots? I don't think the guys that bust their asses to become Master Builders etc would be especially happy

You have to wonder how many Master Builders were involved in how many leaky buildings.

**riffer** · 29th May 2009, 19:40

Seems pretty simple to me.

If you're working, it ain't the dole. The dole is a last resort thing. If people want to work, pay them a decent wage.

Otherwise people working for the dole will have the effect of driving down the minimum wage.

Some people just don't want to work. I say to them - tough. Contribute or find another way - we shouldn't have to support those who don't want to contribute.

But those who are in genuine need and deserve help should get as much support in education and work as we can give.

So no work for the dole. I would prefer education/training rather than meaningless busywork.

**reofix** · 29th May 2009, 19:41

peasea... get with the program ... everyone gets three years of state support in their lives btwn 17 and 65 ... END OF STORY!! ... dont claim it and recieve it in cash the day you turn 65 ... perfectly fair... equality for all

**DEATH_INC.** · 29th May 2009, 19:49

I've spent long periods of my life on the dole....I had to move to this shithole city to fix it. You cannot always get work, qualification, location, age, race, gender, blah, blah, blah. But it is a fact, there are more workers than jobs in this country, so some will be unemployed, why not those that just don't want to work rather than them being forced into a job that some deserving person could have?
As for working for the dole....whose jobs are they gonna take? It will happen, get 'em fixing potholes and roadworkers loose jobs, cutting grass on the roadside and the mower drivers can join them etc etc.....no, leave it as it is, with maybe a cap on what you can get (a guy with 6 kids gets payed better than me! )
How many of you have tried to get by on what they give ya?

**sunhuntin** · 29th May 2009, 20:45

i say get em on the roadsides picking up litter! there so much of it on our main highways, and there doesnt seem to be anyone picking it up. or out scrubbing graffiti or scraping up chewing gum.

susans on the dole, shes spending her days either: going to a free farming course, if she can be bothered, or sitting on her ass in front of the tv. she was $80/week better off than me, and i was the one working part time [and receiving no winz support for rent etc] shes been on the dole since before xmas and hasnt applied for a single job. in that same time, i got one job thanks to mum, and successfully took on a second job.
ive been on the dole 3 or 4 times, but each time was only until the first decent job came along [or, even not decent job like the kiwifruit bullshit] and once those jobs came along, i stopped receiving ANY benefit or accomodation supplement, even though i was still entitled to it.

reofix... i had a similar idea, but for people who have not had a driving offence/ticket.

**SARGE** · 29th May 2009, 20:58

Originally Posted by Lissa

Not sure how it would work, unless they work in community or non profit organisations. You cant give people on the dole work that could actually be filled by them as jobs (so they pay taxes) instead of being on the dole. Jobs will have to be created for them especially wouldnt they?

back in the Great Depression.. President Roosevelt started something called THE NEW DEAL .. part of that was a program called the WPA..also had the CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps)

basically.. if you were fit to work.. the government gave you a job .. building roads, dams, nature trails, and other infrastructure..cleaning and dredging waterways..etc.. lotta good work got done that way

imagine putting all the dole recipients in that position .. picking up trash.. cleaning graffiti.. maintaining and insulating State Homes and other low income housing .. etc..

either that or carve them up for organs and meat...

**peasea** · 29th May 2009, 21:14

Originally Posted by SARGE

back in the Great Depression.. President Roosevelt started something called THE NEW DEAL .. part of that was a program called the WPA..also had the CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps)

basically.. if you were fit to work.. the government gave you a job .. building roads, dams, nature trails, and other infrastructure..cleaning and dredging waterways..etc.. lotta good work got done that way

imagine putting all the dole recipients in that position .. picking up trash.. cleaning graffiti.. maintaining and insulating State Homes and other low income housing .. etc..

either that or carve them up for organs and meat...

My thoughts exactly.

**Motig** · 29th May 2009, 21:19

So theres a recession, people are being made redundant all over the country, others are returning from overseas having found that the world doesn't owe them a living and you brilliantly come up with the idea work for the dole. So where are all these jobs coming from? Are you giving yours up cos your so rich you dont need to work now? Perhaps if your in a high wage earner bracket you could be made redundant and a higher qualified person than you who has ended up on the dole thru no fault of their own could take your place, still be paid the dole and the company would love the extra profit. Remember theres already people doing all those jobs for minimum wage that people seem to think so called dole bludgers should do. I sometimes wonder if people are living in the real world when I see rubbish about the people on the dole.

Rant over

**SARGE** · 29th May 2009, 21:25

Originally Posted by Motig

So theres a recession, people are being made redundant all over the country, others are returning from overseas having found that the world doesn't owe them a living and you brilliantly come up with the idea work for the dole. So where are all these jobs coming from? Are you giving yours up cos your so rich you dont need to work now? Perhaps if your in a high wage earner bracket you could be made redundant and a higher qualified person than you who has ended up on the dole thru no fault of their own could take your place, still be paid the dole and the company would love the extra profit. Remember theres already people doing all those jobs for minimum wage that people seem to think so called dole bludgers should do. I sometimes wonder if people are living in the real world when I see rubbish about the people on the dole.

Rant over

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