Pita Sharples - just gotta love 'im, eh?

[oldguy]

You need more than just "poorly ol' school dropouts" to make this place succeed. They's just the drones.

I take it you don't use the products of roading designers, aircraft engineers, horticulturalists, chemical engineers, civil engineers, electronics designers, food technicians or vehicle designers, or the services of doctors, vets, lawyers, meteorologists, economists or traffic design engineers?

You would be pretty cold, sick, uncomfortable, hungry and broke without a few intellectuals around

if not for the drones who the F**K is going to do all that work these so called high archivers think up.
anyway most those you speak of are Asian.

[mynameis]

To be honest it's not that big a deal as people are making it. Most Universities will allow "matured" students with some level of work experience and education a shot at doing Degrees.

They allow "provisional" entrance, prove yourself in the first year and you get to do 2nd 3rd ect..ect..

If they are allowed in it's another way Universities will be making money as majority will do 1st year fail and drop out donating money to Unis.

There's a difference in entering Uni and graduating !! Which is HARDWORK.

Allowing Marios to enter into Uni without restrictions ISN"T going to close the gap he's talking about.

[RantyDave]

Not to mention what it does to the already tattered reputation of our universities - and hence the value of a degree from one.

(saving up to send his daughter to Harvard)

Dave

[Squiggles]

He'd probably support universities lowering their pass standards for Maori students, after the ones who didnt earn their spot start failing

[sAsLEX]

I don't recall saying anything of the sort,

tell me out of all those who go to uni, how many make it any better in life than those that just leave school and go to work, while those at uni spend years studying wanting handouts from the government help pay there student loans, then pissing of over sea's.
while the poorly ol school dropout working in his/her crap job since he or she left school has been contributing to this country so they can be treated like second class because they don't have the education.

Life skills

I am on a much better salary now after a few years at uni than if I was without my BE and had been working the better part of half a century.

Handout? What's one of those? Does my tax pay them? I mean I come from a middle class white family, never had a handout in my life!

I have been overseas, a few times, fantastic when work pays for it!

Working and contributing in their crap job...... hmmm we don't need engineers/doctors/lawyers et al (no idea what those with BAs do....) as a country do we?

Life Skills huh?

[Delerium]

What makes people angry about it is, that If it goes ahead, if your not maori, you have to bust your ass to get the grades to be accepted to uni, if you are maori, you dont. That smacks of racist.

It is unconcitional accepteance, nothing was mentioned about fees so lets clear that up right now. Also, if the course is becoming full, and the uni HAS to accept the maori student, what about the white guy that busted his ass and is then refused.

That is the issue.

[oldguy]

I am on a much better salary now after a few years at uni than if I was without my BE and had been working the better part of half a century.

Handout? What's one of those? Does my tax pay them? I mean I come from a middle class white family, never had a handout in my life!

I have been overseas, a few times, fantastic when work pays for it!

Working and contributing in their crap job...... hmmm we don't need engineers/doctors/lawyers et al (no idea what those with BAs do....) as a country do we?

Life Skills huh?

What is a middle class white family?
I didn't say we don't need them, but you can't tell me that everyone that goes to uni becomes a Doctor/Lawyer or what ever, their would be a fare percentage that don't. and where did this handout come from he is asking, will he get it, I doubt it, but hey he's giving it ago.
How by the political process, he asked.

Life Skills, isn't it all about working, having a job, wanting your children to have a better life, and take those opportunity that are available to them
my youngest I hope will go to Uni, she puts in the hard yards at school, she no rocket scientists, but she knuckles down gets on with her work, didn't get that work ethic from me

Im so over this thread. it just becomes a he said she said everyone trying for the upper hand.

[tri boy]

Don't they already have their own free uni.
Located at Hopuhopu just north of Ngawhawahia?
Built for Maori via Tainui to improve their peoples education.
Last I heard it had become "residence" for Tainui top family members.
I could be wrong, but we also helped to fund that uni.

Fuck em. The gravy train is derailed, and hopefully John Key will rip up the tracks.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

What a fukin joke!
It de-values the efforts others have made to reach the grade.
Would create a second class system within the uni.
Would be fukin racist!!

Next it will be give me a better standard of living cos I've got a crack in my arse ffs!

I dont care what colour, race or creed you are;
You put in the work to achieve your success, you dont stick out your hand with a sense of entitlement

[Naki Rat]

if not for the drones who the F**K is going to do all that work these so called high archivers think up.
anyway most those you speak of are Asian.

My mistake. Didn't originally notice you were from South Auckland :slap: [Ducks for cover]

[Deano]

Funny you say that, because the colour of my skin dictates how others judge me.

If ever someone describes or points me out is. That's him the ........... fella

That's a descriptor, not a judgement dude. You are perhaps being sensitive.

[Mully]

I had always thought good things about Pita Sharples - I honestly think something's gone wrong in his head lately with some of the stuff he's coming out with.

I went back to Uni as a "Mature" Student (despite my posting here, I was considered mature). I had to do an entry exam and an entry interview to ascertain that I really wanted to be doing it.

I like the policy of over 20s being able to do that. Had I gone straight to Uni from High School, I would have hated it and would have quit soon after. I had the opportunity to start working, and decide that I wanted to go back and study. Anyone can do the same thing, AFAIK.

Let's face it, not everyone is cut out for academia - I certainly had to go away and mature a bit before I went back.

[MSTRS:Me]

I find this 'suggestion' of Sharples quite distasteful. Sure, there's been no talk (yet) of providing it for free, so the Unis will financially benefit from extra student fees, which in this case will definitely come from taxpayer funded student loans. Loans which will never be paid back because the recipients will not pass the earning threshold. Simply a case of more snouts in the trough. If Sharples wants to see 'his people' with degrees, wouldn't he have been better directing them to http://www.nd-center.com/fakeuniversity-degrees.html

[davereid]

Sharples et alia don't seem to have noticed that giving people priviledge on the basis of race inherently requires the beneficiaries of that priviledge to be marked as different.

Its a bit like wearing a badge that says "I'm part of a special group".

So we see people wearing badges, and over time we develop of view of them and their behaviour.

We see the RSA members and we recognise the badge and it meaning. The same with badges for Rotary or Hells Angels.

The important thing is, that people NOT in the group, soon develop an idea as to the character of those in it by observation of group behavior.

Maoridom have voluntarily adopted a badge.

IMHO normal New Zealanders, rightly or wrongly have come to associate that badge with a series of negative traits.

This request from Mr. Sharples won't reverse that trend. It reinforces it.

[Pixie]

PITA is one of those geek acronyms,isn't it?