The best F3 riders?

**codgyoleracer** · 1st July 2009, 14:45

Originally Posted by roadracingoldfart

A guy i know off in Aussie racing in the 400 cup class has a Greame France CBR400RR with a reliable 90 R/W HP.

It seems to be a matter of , you bring the money and ill build you a winner.
Thats for a 400 by the way , not a 450.
And i wonder why my 400 only has 59 HP.

Thats a pretty big number, have heard of similar from the pommie SV's + a little more. But not very robust (I.E two meetings........ ouch!)
Glen

**FROSTY:Me** · 1st July 2009, 14:50

robust shmobust--doncha know you need 5 engines for the nationals ?

**GSVR** · 1st July 2009, 16:52

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

Thats a pretty big number, have heard of similar from the pommie SV's + a little more. But not very robust (I.E two meetings........ ouch!)
Glen

Should be able to get a reliable 117HP from an SV!

**codgyoleracer** · 1st July 2009, 17:01

Originally Posted by GSVR

Should be able to get a reliable 117HP from an SV!

Yeah ?, last figure i was quoted was 125............. How doooo these rumours start ?. Fastest four I've raced against was Andy Bolwells - & it dissapeared into the distance at a great rate of knots (+90hp from that beastie). Bill Van derHovens FZR was/is also very quick, as is Mr De Boers green meanie ZXR
Jason Eastons Tiggy - wins the hp versus weight war hands down and corner exit speed is the impressive result.
Not sure the ponies of Chris Osbournes triple now - but on the track the ram air effect & modern design certainly keeps it at the pointy end.
Glen

**Whitebait** · 1st July 2009, 18:12

Neil Chappell gets half my vote.....Can I vote for myself????

He's fast....real fast! I can't comment on his riding style cause I only see him for a few seconds at the start of the race!

Nicksta gets my other half vote.....

She is smooth as butter on a bike....... Followed her for two days at the last meeting and didn't see many mistakes.

Our bikes are very evenly match so it comes down to the rider.

Racing against her for a whole weekend I did learn a lot even if she told Paul "He got too fast too quick"

Trying to compare the whole of F3 is like comparing WSB's to Moto GP.

How the fuck am I meant to keep up with the F3 front runners on a proody bike??

Thankfully there are still a few people flying the 2-STROKE flag for people that appreciate real race bikes rather than sport tourers....

**Ivan** · 1st July 2009, 18:27

Originally Posted by Whitebait

Neil Chappell gets half my vote.....Can I vote for myself????

He's fast....real fast! I can't comment on his riding style cause I only see him for a few seconds at the start of the race!

Nicksta gets my other half vote.....

She is smooth as butter on a bike....... Followed her for two days at the last meeting and didn't see many mistakes.

Our bikes are very evenly match so it comes down to the rider.

Racing against her for a whole weekend I did learn a lot even if she told Paul "He got too fast too quick"

Trying to compare the whole of F3 is like comparing WSB's to Moto GP.

How the fuck am I meant to keep up with the F3 front runners on a proody bike??

Thankfully there are still a few people flying the 2-STROKE flag for people that appreciate real race bikes rather than sport tourers....

Hey are you on the 555? bike?

**t3mp0r4ry nzr** · 1st July 2009, 18:36

Originally Posted by svr

Nearly 20 yrs ago bog stock zxr400s used to do flat 16s at manfield (on yokohama 003s...). Who does that now?

thats absolutley flying for a stock zxr400!! Stating the obvious that no-one is doing those times today.

Why do you think that is? is it differences in the track or exceptionally fast batch of riders?

Sure the bikes are now 20 years older but that doesnt really explain the large deviation in times. Today a 1.19 on a STOCK 400 would be a 'good' time, let alone on 1990's tyres.

**Ivan** · 1st July 2009, 18:47

Originally Posted by GSVR

Should be able to get a reliable 117HP from an SV!

Sheez thats heaps Id love it if myne put out that much power thats when you would really be wanting the 180 profile rear and the GSXR600 frotn end with much better brakes!!

Reliable 117? what do they make standered 70?

**neil_cb125t** · 1st July 2009, 20:33

Hey peoples - i agree with the whole fast bike, fast rider dig.

but all those that say 400 bored out to 450's arent reliable are wrong.

Dont run low clearances!! piston to head of no less than .7mm and give the rods i tickle up and DONT OVER REV THE THING!!!

If anyone wants a hand ( tips etc ) with getting a 450 together let me know. ITs easier than changing a head gasket!!

the Sounth island boys on the ZXRs - im sorry but any ZXR that does a
1:13 at manny is awesome i will never do that!!

or anyone who rides a road bike to the track then comes first must be pretty good.... yeah im talking bout you cookie

MY 2cs.... Dont penalise Nats riders - I want to be one of those!! we should trying to get people to that level!!

**quallman1234** · 1st July 2009, 20:34

Originally Posted by Ivan

Sheez thats heaps Id love it if myne put out that much power thats when you would really be wanting the 180 profile rear and the GSXR600 frotn end with much better brakes!!

Reliable 117? what do they make standered 70?

If that, ive heard stock your probabaly getting 55-60 too the ground.

**roadracingoldfart** · 1st July 2009, 20:51

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

Thats a pretty big number, have heard of similar from the pommie SV's + a little more. But not very robust (I.E two meetings........ ouch!)
Glen

Nice crank , lots of cups , good looking , very fast bike .

**roadracingoldfart** · 1st July 2009, 20:53

Originally Posted by t3mp0r4ry nzr

thats absolutley flying for a stock zxr400!! Stating the obvious that no-one is doing those times today.

Why do you think that is? is it differences in the track or exceptionally fast batch of riders?

Sure the bikes are now 20 years older but that doesnt really explain the large deviation in times. Today a 1.19 on a STOCK 400 would be a 'good' time, let alone on 1990's tyres.

It was all to do with the track condition , it was a steeper banking and a much better condition surface. Plus we all had huge balls and no brains.

**Deano** · 1st July 2009, 21:22

Originally Posted by Whitebait

How the fuck am I meant to keep up with the F3 front runners on a proody bike??

Thankfully there are still a few people flying the 2-STROKE flag for people that appreciate real race bikes rather than sport tourers....

Or gurls commuter bikes like the SV's ?

Welcome to the pro twin world........which seems to be at the front of the VMCC F3 pack

**codgyoleracer** · 2nd July 2009, 08:26

Originally Posted by Ivan

Sheez thats heaps Id love it if myne put out that much power thats when you would really be wanting the 180 profile rear and the GSXR600 frotn end with much better brakes!!

Reliable 117? what do they make standered 70?

Stock - your usually between 68 - 72, dependant on the dyno & how Mr Suzuki put it together.