Settling Maori claims. Someone explain.

[Goblin]

What happens to the money?

My guess that cunt rikards will end up with a percentage of it.

[98tls]

My mum used to own a butcher shop and we had a left handed aprentice butcher who was a bit dim, so as a joke one day she sent him down to the hardware store to buy himself a left-handed butcher knife. She'd rang ahead and warned them he was coming and to have it wrapped up and ready for him to bring back. So he gets back with this brown paper bag and he unwraps it. Poor buger thought he was finially going to get his special left-handed knife only to find a potato peeler in the bag. Oh how we laughed long and hard!! Anyway this has nothing to do with Treaty claims, so as you all were....

lMAO,well done,was training a guy at work the last few weeks,told him to go to the office and ask for a "long weight" which he did,took him an hour and 1/2 before he finally clicked,we laughed our arses off.He went in there said "Mike told me to come and get a long weight" he was told "sure have a seat".

[Genestho]

lMAO,well done,was training a guy at work the last few weeks,told him to go to the office and ask for a "long weight" which he did,took him an hour and 1/2 before he finally clicked,we laughed our arses off.

Oh look you two, stop I'm all outta bling (across quite a few threads!!!! for 24 hrs arrrrghhh), I'm so so lost without it!

[doc]

Maori are defined by their whakapapa. This is no different today as of yesterday and is defined by their canoe, tribe, river, and mountain.

I made a post about them having some gene which prevented them from evolving. I based my post on a comment I heard from a Mental health professional study, it is starting to make a lot of sence to me.

[BMWST?]

Yes but most of the country's in the world are colonized by foreign people. This is just the way it goes, you can't take people tax money that is needed for a greater cause like health care and so on to a couple of Iwis who will just put them in their "mattress".

Look at Waikato Hospital, the hospital is in need of equipment for millions dollars becuase it is so unmodern and is way years after other country's. With new equipment and being able to offer to competitive wages the hospital would save much more lives. But no the treaty waitangi have to come first.

Kiwis have a common problem, no front thinking. Very impulsive and this attitude "i don't care" is like a pest goint through the people.

If the government in Sweden had given away millions of dollars to a race group of people and there were serious issues with poverty or bad health care, roads needs to be fixed, shortage of police, high criminality. The people had gone berserk! You just don't do anything like that, that is so hard to understand for me.

Europe has already had a far longer and much less civilised "integration".

[oldrider]

Its true maori children were given the strap in primary schools in the 1960s for speaking maori. Seems hard to believe today.

To be fair, times were different. Up to the 60s educationalists and maori parents believed the best way forward was for all maori to become fluent in English. This was a time (after WWII) when many maori moved from the countryside to the cities.

I was a child in the forties and both Maori and Pakeha kids were threatened for speaking Maori to one another at school!

Who was it that was driving this attitude? Maori Komatua and other elders!

It was the desire of the Maori of that time to get their kids fluent in English, the language of their future.

It pisses me off that Pakeha get all the blame for that!

My Grandchildren are registered Gnai Tahu and they have recieved financial aid for approved education support programs.

I believe the filtering process is alive and well within that Iwi at least.

My Grandchildren are as white as the driven snow but have as much or more Maori blood than many of the Maori who would condemn them as unwelcome Honkies!

Where will all this crap end, we are a grey nation lets move on into the future, the treaty was for the beginning of our nation, simply a means to an end.

I don't think the treaty was ever intended to be an end into it's self.

Too much has changed and even more will change in the future if we all respect the treaty and work towards that future together!

All this separatist talk and behaviour will get us nothing but grief!

[Morcs]

It pisses me off that Pakeha get all the blame for that!

Please stop using that word. Its racist.

[Quasievil]

Who was it that was driving this attitude? Maori Komatua and other elders!

It was the desire of the Maori of that time to get their kids fluent in English, the language of their future.

Thats not true, there were not many Maori teachers for a start.
This is well recorded as an frequent event in schools.

[Deano]

We were taught Maori at school in the late 70's. Quite a turn around in one decade, but let's keep on dredging up the past.

[kiwifruit]

[oldrider]

Thats not true, there were not many Maori teachers for a start.
This is well recorded as an frequent event in schools.

Thats not true!........oh silly me, of course you were there?

[Mr Merde]

Thats not true!........oh silly me, of course you were there?

I remember a lot of Maori teachers in my past.
This was in the 50's and 60's

[Bonez]

This paper may be of interest to some here re teachers-
http://www.kaupapamaori.com/assets//...0final.doc.pdf

[Winston001]

All this separatist talk and behaviour will get us nothing but grief!

Understand what you are saying John. I guess time will tell.

There are two mutually opposed views of the future human population:

1. We all eventually merge into a great melting pot until our genetics is so mixed that there are no separate races. Seems logical. Separate cultures disappear and we all become American/Chinese in our attitudes and language.

2. We fight against that, not by stopping interracial marriage, but by protecting indigenous cultures and languages. So the genetic mixing continues but locally some people choose to still practise and follow a certain culture.

I think diversity makes the world interesting and we learn about different points of view. I shudder when I hear and see young Kiwis looking and acting as though they were in South LA. Gangsta stuff. We become more Americanised all the time......and its bland.

NZ has a unique people and a unique culture. Maori. The impact young Kiwis have overseas when they do the haka is impressive. That's ours. Lets keep it.

[idb]

As I see it there can be no doubt that a signed agreement was broken and injustices were done, anyone that carries out the smallest trace of research will agree.

So, a signed contract has been broken and should be rectified.
There was no disputes process written into the contract that I'm aware of so both sides need to agree to this retrospectively.
We (the Crown and tribal representatives) have agreed to the process and are getting on with disputes resolution.

There will always be ignorants, leeches, thieves, whatever, that attempt to use grievances to make spurious claims for their own profit - that's just human nature.
To hold these people up as representative of all Maori is a misrepresentation.

It is not too hard to cite a real example to justify your own prejudices but these aren't the people that are involved in the Treaty negotiations.

So, let the negotiators negotiate (we did after all elect them) and meanwhile prosecute the criminals, debate with the "academics" and educate the ignorant.