Hide accused of playing race card

[Benk]

But Moari do need more assistance, and what better way of doing so by specifically having Maori involved in the decision making process?

When Maori and Europeans are on par (birth rate, employment rate, diabetes, obesity, etc, etc, etc), then we should have equal rights, but until that time, Maori DO need the additional assistance. Id like think if I (iron maiden listening, motorbike riding honky) was ever in need of representation that my country would go to bat for me.

Then again. Its always nice having someone else to blame for NZ's problems.

[ynot slow]

Standing for the principle of "one person one vote".

Good stuff.

Why aren't there "Motorcyclist's only" seats on the supercity council? Huh?


Instead, people can vote for whoever is supporting their "cause". It is called "democracy".

And IF there is a suitable maori,pacific islander,indian candidate let them get nominated and if they are worthy they're elected.

[Devil]

But Moari do need more assistance, and what better way of doing so by specifically having Maori involved in the decision making process?

When Maori and Europeans are on par (birth rate, employment rate, diabetes, obesity, etc, etc, etc), then we should have equal rights, but until that time, Maori DO need the additional assistance. Id like think if I (iron maiden listening, motorbike riding honky) was ever in need of representation that my country would go to bat for me.

Then again. Its always nice having someone else to blame for NZ's problems.

There's nothing stopping them from campaigning and being elected like anyone else. Shit if yo nigga be clued up, I be votin for shizzle!

[Benk]

There's nothing stopping them from campaigning and being elected like anyone else. Shit if yo nigga be clued up, I be votin for shizzle!

True, but why risk getting it wrong to start with.

[cs363]

Good on him! Having seats for any organisation based on race is, frankly, rascist.

Even a Minister of Maori Affairs is rascist. Candidates for seats should rise or fall on their own merits and if you read the Treaty of Waitangi (Hobson's correct version, not the sterilized, twisted version we currently have jammed down our throats) it states that "We are now one people".

If that's the case, and it should be, then it's one rule for all; regardless of race, colour or creed.

Agree 100%, Hide may not be mine or a lot of other peoples favourite politician but he is right on the money here.

[SixPackBack]

But Moari do need more assistance, and what better way of doing so by specifically having Maori involved in the decision making process?

When Maori and Europeans are on par (birth rate, employment rate, diabetes, obesity, etc, etc, etc), then we should have equal rights, but until that time, Maori DO need the additional assistance. Id like think if I (iron maiden listening, motorbike riding honky) was ever in need of representation that my country would go to bat for me.

Then again. Its always nice having someone else to blame for NZ's problems.

An appropriate perspective; before discussing the points you raised much further the much needed concept of 'defining a Maori' need to be tackled?

I would argue that many folk claiming to be Maori have the most tenuous link to Maori ancestry and are in fact 'crackers' with the slightest hint of Maori blood.

How do we define who is a Maori?

[Devil]

True, but why risk getting it wrong to start with.

True, but that also applies in both directions...

Personally, I think we're all screwed, not just in regards to the council seats.
I think the ideal of one people, one nation is great, but I dont expect to see it in my lifetime.

[rachprice]

But Moari do need more assistance, and what better way of doing so by specifically having Maori involved in the decision making process?

When Maori and Europeans are on par (birth rate, employment rate, diabetes, obesity, etc, etc, etc), then we should have equal rights, but until that time, Maori DO need the additional assistance. Id like think if I (iron maiden listening, motorbike riding honky) was ever in need of representation that my country would go to bat for me.

Then again. Its always nice having someone else to blame for NZ's problems.

Yeah I agree, there is a discrepancy between maori and non-maori in almost everything, so things aren't equal, by treating them like they are equal, you are just going to maintain that discrepancy

Not that I agree that they should be given everything on a plate....

[Benk]

I would argue that many folk claiming to be Maori have the most tenuous link to Maori ancestry and are in fact 'crackers' with the slightest hint of Maori blood.

An appropriate perspective; before discussing the points you raised much further the much needed concept of 'many folk' need to be tackled?

How do we define who is a Maori?

A person with Maori heritage?

There is no black and white, only shades of grey (metaphorically, especially given the argument )

[Benk]

I think the ideal of one people, one nation is great, but I dont expect to see it in my lifetime.

Bingo! And how do we work towards this goal? Not by shutting those who are most affected out from the decision making proces0s, surely.

[Benk]

Not that I agree that they should be given everything on a plate....

Yup, couldnt agree more. But maybe they could be given the recipe

[Devil]

Bingo! And how do we work towards this goal? Not by shutting those who are most affected out from the decision making proces0s, surely.

But they're not, that's the problem. Also why this argument will go back and forwards so we should quit while we're ahead!

I dont see having Maori seats as being inclusive, I think it's quite the opposite. It creates an exclusive group that is different to the rest of us. Thats the background to my opinion really.

[Benk]

But they're not, that's the problem. Also why this argument will go back and forwards so we should quit while we're ahead!

I agree, splitting hairs, and mooting points is boring as shit

[Jantar]

Being outside Auckland, and therefore about as far away from this issue as one can get, I am interested in the democratic process that would be involved if Maori were to have 2 seats.

How would those representives be appointed, and who would appoint them?

If they are selected by Maori people living in the Auckland area then does that mean those same people have 2 votes while evry else only has one?

Or if Maori seats are to allocated then does that mean a sperate Maori role just for Auckland?

Is this just another way of dividing Maori and non maori, and do those proposing this really want apartheid?

[Headbanger]

But Moari do need more assistance

Surely they get that in Jail after killing their kids?

No?

oh well, too bad.