Calling all pilots! What is it?

[nadroj]

No, that's a link to a Yak52 (apparently - I know nussink of de yak)

I'm trying to ascertain whether or not it's my circling plane, which - if it visits again at 10.00 hours tomorrow, I'm going to try to get a photo for confirmation from our KB Pilots and Enthusiasts.

Well......? I'm waiting........


Most likely TYS if it's a red & white Yak52.

[Swoop]

P47N, LA9, Spit 21, F4U-5, Dora 9, TA152, Do335, Tempest Mk5, Fury, all of them would have the average Runstang pile-it crying into his cereal.

The only "best" thing about the 51 was sheer number of them in the sky.

Ahhh. The P-47 was superb in diving after a FW-190 since it was a bit on the portly side. James Goodman convinced the superiors that they could change over their whole squadron of 47's to 51's within 24hrs and not miss a mission. They managed to do just that and they were happy to see the back of the 47's.
Restorers in Australia have commented "why is there so much aircraft inside this aircraft?". They could take a bit of punishment though!

And don't worry about getting too crook as a passenger in an aerobatic plane, T.G.W..... properly executed aeros aren't too hard on the bod!

Snap rolls, spins and outside loops are a bit, but not a requirement to enjoy and experience an exciting aerobatic flight

I did a blat in the Airtourer some years back and was underwhelmed with what the pilot tried. "Guaranteed to make you puke or there is a tray of beer"... That central "sidestick" joystick is a bit stupid when in the right seat!

I have been given a flight in the Extra 300 aircraft which is at Ardmore! Can't wait.

However at Wairarapa at the beginning of this year the pilot gave a much better display..you could easily see why the Japanese troops referred to it as "whispering death",you could hardly hear it coming...Big strong fast plane

Whispering Death refers to the Bristol Beaufighter. There aren't any flying in NZ!

[pzkpfw]

Whistling death?

http://www.aviation-history.com/vought/f4u.html

[nudemetalz]

Whispering Death refers to the Bristol Beaufighter. There aren't any flying in NZ!

There aren't any flying full stop, unfortunately.

There are stories recorded of P-47 Thunderbolts flying through trees and coming out the other side still flying, albeit with bent props !!
They were that tough !!

[Swoop]

Whistling death?

Whispering.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whispering_Death

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Beaufighter

[pzkpfw]

No kidding?

[nudemetalz]

So, there's one being (hopefully) restored to flying. That would be cool.

[Genestho]

Well......? I'm waiting........


Most likely TYS if it's a red & white Yak52.

It didn't have a chequered nose
Grizzle...waaaaaaaaaaah(mbulance).

My pet (possible - yak) didn't come back! Had my camera ready at the door too!

Mind you the only thing that's flown across today is a passenger airliner (which is not normal), she's been a very windy day!

I wont be here at 10.00am tomorrow, hopefully Wednesday, he'll be back!!!

[Boob Johnson]

Lets have a look at that shall we.

Hurricane - Produced in 4 versions, development ceased in 1942. Construction techniques were late '20s early '30s, skin was mixed fabric and aluminium. Retired from frontline duty in 1944, but had been effectively retired in '42 by placing them in secondary theatres like Africa, the Middle East, and South East Asia.

Spitfire - Produced in more than 20 versions, still in service in the late 50s in Hong Kong flying PR (Photo Recon) missions over China. Stressed aluminium skin, early fabric ailerons gave way to metal covered ones from the Mk 4 (Actually the development mules for the Griffon engine project. They have more in common with the Mk VII than teh V)

Neither was "better" than the other, they were simply different aircraft with very different roles, and the Hurricane fell victim to obsolescence earlier than the Spitfire due to construction techniques required to produce it (Chicks with air wrenches and rivet guns are not good at joinery and rigging) and the fact that Hawker replaced it with the Typhoon, rather than trying to develop an out of date dead end. The Typhoon suffered at high altitude because it used a development of the concept used for the Hurricane's wing and had a very thick chord wing (ratio of depth to width). This wing design and very powerful engine in the Napier Sabre (once the bugs were ironed out - H engines are always trouble) made it an excellent ordinance truck instead.

Hurricane and Spitfire? Apples and Cockroaches. It's like saying an RF900 is better than a BMW GS1200.

Probably should of been a little clearer I should, was specifically reffering to the Hurricane's turn around to rearm & fuel up being 3 times faster than the Spitfire, somewhere around 9 mins I believe, vital in the Battle of Britain.

But yes do agree it's apples & um...banana's. Also why I stand by my original statement bout the P-51 being the best around prop plane of WW2

(although I did genuinely believe it was the quickest prior to your info).

[marty]

I'm not really in the aviation scene (so I can't sort anything out ATM) , but if I win lotto I'll learn to fly and buy a Zero to fly people around in every August 29th. Deal?

good luck with that mate. ASAIK there's still only 2 left flying in the world, and no lotto win is going to pry one of them your way i watched one of them flying at Chino a few years ago - dogfighting with Cruise. T's P51 and a Hellcat. Quite a moment it was.

[pzkpfw]

Apparently you can "simulate" a Zero using a Harvard trainer (AT6 Texan).

Comes out faster.

http://www.nzwarbirds.org.nz/at6a.html

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdl_pho...hy/3567790476/

[Pussy]

There is a Zero for sale in the US at the moment, it has been re-engined with a P&W R-1830.... nice machine!

[Genestho]

Oh well Bugger It!

The Yak has not come back (yet) so I guess, it's a Legend in me own lunchbox for now!

BUT I think the word is out!! Have had a few planes come circling over today.

One was a red one...what is it??? (I'm Joking!! )

[James Deuce]

But yes do agree it's apples & um...banana's. Also why I stand by my original statement bout the P-51 being the best around prop plane of WW2

Best at winning a pervasive propaganda war. It's a toss up between the Focke Wulf Ta152 and the Dornier Do 335 for "best propellor aircraft produced in the Second World War". The P51 had numbers and range on its side, but belonged to a previous generation of aircraft compared to those two.

Both the Dornier and Focke Wulf had top speeds around 475 mph at their optimum operating altitudes and the Ta152H had a service ceiling of 48,000ft. Both aircraft had cruising speeds nearly 60 mph faster than
contemporary Allied fighters and the Ta152 had more range on internal fuel than a P51D. The world's only surviving Do335 was captured April 2nd 1945 and flown from Munich to Cherbourg in France, arriving 45 minutes before its escorting Mustangs.

If you want to look at the most effective warplane in WWII it's a toss up between the C47 and the Iluyshin IL2. Effective millitary planners concentrate on delivering or denying logistics.

[James Deuce]

Ahhh. The P-47 was superb in diving after a FW-190 since it was a bit on the portly side. James Goodman convinced the superiors that they could change over their whole squadron of 47's to 51's within 24hrs and not miss a mission. They managed to do just that and they were happy to see the back of the 47's.

Read Robert Johnson or Francis Gabreski's Bios and you'll get a VERY different picture. As I said, it's not the aircraft it's the pile-it. Fundamental belief in their mount of choice was at the core of most successful pile-it's success. Read anything Corky Meyer has written and you'll quickly figure out that most WWII Ace's inviolate devotation to a particular aircraft was plain silly and sometimes ludicrous. Your description of a single aspect of a P47's construction is an often repeated simplistic analysis of an aircraft that was vastly more capable than the P51 in all the roles it was assigned EXCEPT long range escort and interdiction.

I have a friend in the US who flew in the MTO and ETO from 1942 to 1945 in P39Qs and P47D-25s and -40s and he never saw an enemy aircraft in the air anywhere near him, like 90% of Aliied pile-its. His biggest enemy was ack and "furniture". The aircraft he flew didn't matter to him so long as he could complete his mission profile.