Street Stock 250cc 4-stroke twins

[RDjase]

Taupo Track day, track 2

Its a race day , not track day , Real passing mate , none of that only on the outside crap aye

[kunoichi]

Well i don't plan to do a race day as my first time on the track. LOL, and i don't know about beating Chaos either. When we first started riding together, our skill level was about the same, and i'd imagine they would still be similar, but he's got the modified and lighter bike. Would put him at an advantage to say the least, plus he's definatly more gutsy and throttle happy. I'm looking at selling my bike, so i won't be doing anything stupid on it. But if anyone can make puke, i'll b the chick on the green kwaka with the white leather jacket. Come up and introduce urself, i'm all up to meeting new ppl.

[R6_kid:Me]

its ford mountain you nit thers no need plus you only counter steer before you start turning to change the angle of the bike, its only an aid for getting the bike over you dont doo it through the corner unless your arse is out.

So you can take your hands off the bars and the bike will still keep turning?

It's physics bro, you can't beat it. Counter-steering relies on the principle of gyroscopic procession. Google it, or better still, look it up in a physics textbook. If you release the pressure from the bars (i.e stop counter steering) then the wheel will swing back to centre (that's what it wants to do, run in a straight line) and due to gyroscopic procession, it will make the bike stand up.

You CANNOT turn a bike at high speed without counter-steering through the handle bars (disregarding either spinning it up, or braking, which would be more or less uncontrolled without counter-steering). You may think that you are not countersteering to turn in a corner, but if you analyse what you are doing you will find that you are indirectly (or without knowing otherwise) counter steering the bike.

[chaos rider]

So you can take your hands off the bars and the bike will still keep turning?

It's physics bro, you can't beat it. Counter-steering relies on the principle of gyroscopic procession. Google it, or better still, look it up in a physics textbook. If you release the pressure from the bars (i.e stop counter steering) then the wheel will swing back to centre (that's what it wants to do, run in a straight line) and due to gyroscopic procession, it will make the bike stand up.

You CANNOT turn a bike at high speed without counter-steering through the handle bars (disregarding either spinning it up, or braking, which would be more or less uncontrolled without counter-steering). You may think that you are not countersteering to turn in a corner, but if you analyse what you are doing you will find that you are indirectly (or without knowing otherwise) counter steering the bike.

ok now i just love that.

yes i understand the gyroscopic principals and rotational inertia that the wheel has on the angle of the bike. but i would love to see you counter steer when your IN the corner. see what happens, ill bring popcorn

its things like this that make me laugh. yes you counter steer but the purpose is to anle the bike or to aid in leaning once your down you need to turn back in. and i never said i could take my hands of the bars.

and i assumed no one on here was dumb enough to think they were still counter steering IN a corner, but i apolagize i was very wrong

[mossy1200]

ok now i just love that.

yes i understand the gyroscopic principals and rotational inertia that the wheel has on the angle of the bike. but i would love to see you counter steer when your IN the corner. see what happens, ill bring popcorn

its things like this that make me laugh. yes you counter steer but the purpose is to anle the bike or to aid in leaning once your down you need to turn back in. and i never said i could take my hands of the bars.

and i assumed no one on here was dumb enough to think they were still counter steering IN a corner, but i apolagize i was very wrong

Ill just keep my counter steering through the whole corner cause I dont like riding off the track.Failure to counter steer = bike stand up and go straight usually best done when cornering complete.

[NSR-Dan]

I want to see chaos straighten his bike up after counter steering while in a corner, it would give "highside photography" meaning to their name.

[gatch]

Kunoichi Vs Chaos

I hear Kunoichi is paying about $1.01....

ok now i just love that.

yes i understand the gyroscopic principals and rotational inertia that the wheel has on the angle of the bike. but i would love to see you counter steer when your IN the corner. see what happens, ill bring popcorn

its things like this that make me laugh. yes you counter steer but the purpose is to anle the bike or to aid in leaning once your down you need to turn back in. and i never said i could take my hands of the bars.

and i assumed no one on here was dumb enough to think they were still counter steering IN a corner, but i apolagize i was very wrong

You do understand the difference between counter steering like pointing the wheels in the direction of a slide and counter steering like you actually need to do to make a motorcycle turn at high speed, there is a difference..


Just in case you didn't realize...

[NSR-Dan]

I hear Kunoichi is paying about $1.01....

Does that mean Chaos is paying $16

[kunoichi]

I hear Kunoichi is paying about $1.01....

I'm doing no such thing! i didn't even agree to race. I just said i wanted a go on the track, i will NOT be joining the race day at Taupo!

[chaos rider]

note
i have never said anything that i havent already learnt from people with experience

i did listen to the mentors and i did as they said but it felt wrong (not saying they are wrong)

some facts on knee sliding

1979 was when kenny roberts started putting tape on his lethers knee. and every one laughed! this was when knee sliding came to road racing.
the skill of knee sliding was created to aid the bike in cornering when hp exceeds that of the tyres abilitys. ref "Faster" moto GP documentry from kenny roberts mouth himself

i am still very inexpirienced and im not going to get better if i go aroung trying to get my knee down

when i ride its a cooperation between me and the bike i feel what the bike is doing as well as i feel with my own arm. ill listen till my ears bleed but at the end of the day its me and the bike that need to try it and see if it works for us. i dont force my bike to lean that far because i want to do a wank and get my knee down. no i learn about how every movement effects the bike

did you know that to gain speed when your tapped down the straight try moving your ass back 3 inch and raise it of the seat by and inch. this aids the your airodynamics and your traction by acting as a second dampining system to help get more weight down at high speed (reduce the time your rear wheel spends off the ground, becuause at 180+ the wheels bounce off the smallest little bumbs and it happens alot)

you all might know about shifting your weight onto the corret peg for the corner ie left peg, right peg for the corner. but did you know you can to do it for arms to? pulling or pushing with your arms (not like when your steering), usefull when your leaving the corner and you need to keep the front down (i realy dont need it for my bike but its good practice for when i move up)

things i still need to learn are... assesing corner entering speed, holding corner speed and honing where and when i get back on the throtle. you can give me all the tips and advice you want and ill listen and ill try it. but if i can see what you say isnt going to work without even needing to try it ill tell you and you can explaine it some more incase i didnt quite understand what you ment.

the people ive learned from are the real pros ive watched them over and over ive analised and researched what the did and why they did it.keven shwantz, kenny roberts, valintino, the hopper, N. hayden and many superbike riders. but i even question them, because somewhere theres somthing someone overlooked or found but only took it so far.

i do sound agresive with what i say but thats just cuz my comunicational skills with people are as bad as my spelling. still looking for the spell check add on for firefox cuz its not on it yet and i need to find it and install it still

if you read all of that i thank you for your time because it was alot and im sorry

[Mully]

Right, I'm calling this now:

Chaos Rider is Ashton Kutcher and he has been punking everyone here since day one.

There, I said it. Remember who said it first.

[gatch]

Does that mean Chaos is paying $16

Yes, bets in before the deadline.

I just said i wanted a go on the track, i will be joining the race day at Taupo!

Hehe fixed for you, I knew thats what you meant..

note
i have never said anything that i havent already learnt from people with experience

i did listen to the mentors and i did as they said but it felt wrong (not saying they are wrong)

some facts on knee sliding

1979 was when kenny roberts started putting tape on his lethers knee. and every one laughed! this was when knee sliding came to road racing.
the skill of knee sliding was created to aid the bike in cornering when hp exceeds that of the tyres abilitys. ref "Faster" moto GP documentry from kenny roberts mouth himself

i am still very inexpirienced and im not going to get better if i go aroung trying to get my knee down

when i ride its a cooperation between me and the bike i feel what the bike is doing as well as i feel with my own arm. ill listen till my ears bleed but at the end of the day its me and the bike that need to try it and see if it works for us. i dont force my bike to lean that far because i want to do a wank and get my knee down. no i learn about how every movement effects the bike

did you know that to gain speed when your tapped down the straight try moving your ass back 3 inch and raise it of the seat by and inch. this aids the your airodynamics and your traction by acting as a second dampining system to help get more weight down at high speed (reduce the time your rear wheel spends off the ground, becuause at 180+ the wheels bounce off the smallest little bumbs and it happens alot)

you all might know about shifting your weight onto the corret peg for the corner ie left peg, right peg for the corner. but did you know you can to do it for arms to? pulling or pushing with your arms (not like when your steering), usefull when your leaving the corner and you need to keep the front down (i realy dont need it for my bike but its good practice for when i move up)

things i still need to learn are... assesing corner entering speed, holding corner speed and honing where and when i get back on the throtle. you can give me all the tips and advice you want and ill listen and ill try it. but if i can see what you say isnt going to work without even needing to try it ill tell you and you can explaine it some more incase i didnt quite understand what you ment.

the people ive learned from are the real pros ive watched them over and over ive analised and researched what the did and why they did it.keven shwantz, kenny roberts, valintino, the hopper, N. hayden and many superbike riders. but i even question them, because somewhere theres somthing someone overlooked or found but only took it so far.

i do sound agresive with what i say but thats just cuz my comunicational skills with people are as bad as my spelling. still looking for the spell check add on for firefox cuz its not on it yet and i need to find it and install it still

if you read all of that i thank you for your time because it was alot and im sorry

You have a promising future in stand up..

[chaos rider]

ok time to clear shit up some more

counter steering.. to turn the handle in the opisite direction you to go

left turn..
turn right to tip the bike to the left (keep the bars turned right and youll keep leang oh shit thers the track you just lowsided you fail!)

once youve got the bike at the correct angle for the turn and speed you turn in (turn left)

depending on speed thease movements are only 5 to 10 degres, its not much

[kunoichi]

well all those betting on me will be making a loss then! I'm not playing my horse is bigger than yours, it's pointless and won't prove anything.

[Mully]

Stop it!!!

All of you stop feeding the troll!!!

Just stop it.