I don't get it?

[prettybillie]

At the end of the day bud - we ALL know you have very little respect for the AMCC and even less for their president - so in future if you get something sent to you like this, just simply don't read it. Throw it out and move on. It's that simple! You seem to have spent a lot of time analysing this piece of writing when I'm sure you've got better things to do.

[Biggles08]

Q: So where does it say it was the VMCC winter series?

A: Doesn't. You drew the inference it was VMCC in your first post.

Q: Where does it bag how another series was run?

A: It doesn't. The only comments to this effect is what you have written.

FFS Malcy I believe it to be you that needs to "open your eyes" if you can't see the link that everyone knows was VMCC. How many winter series are there that potential AMCC members might know about and compete in...answer that please? Oh hell, I'll play your game A: ONLY VMCC!

Logical Sustance? Plenty.
1) Many racers don't know where or how to start getting outside funding for their racing. Costello is talking through the basics that many new racers have no concept of.

I agree completely with you here but disagree that this piece of writing will help any of these you are refering to.

Go back 10 or so years ago and the AMCC was running a scholarship programme where they would give away up to $2000 a year to a racer. There were a few very simple requirements. 1) The club was provided with a presentation by any rider in the club on how they would use the money to further their racing or move to a next step (buckets to club series, Club to National, National to International, didn't care which). They selected one rider each year. 2) The selected rider ran a sticker on his bike, and provided reports back to the club newsletter and hopefully a thankyou at the end.

The aim was to get riders to think about presentation and essentially create a proposal they could give to other potential personal sponsors.

This was done a number of years and the club required little in return. Not nothing, just something basic and many riders struggled to even tell the organisation that was funding their racing what they did or even how they got on.

Many struggled to put even a basic presentation together or what they should do or include. Many years there were few applicants. This was almost free money or funding with little in the way of strings attached and riders couldn't even construct a basic presentation (only needed to be written).

The way I see it, nothing has changed much and many new racers still need to understand the basics on what they need to do if they want to atract sponsorship. These editorials are outlining this at a high level and is relevevant to a sector of the racing scene.

Sounds like "in the good ol days" AMCC and its leader(s) had a bit of vision and enthusiasim.....the way i see it LOTS has changed!

Open your eyes a little and you would see that.

my eyes are very open malcy....how about your mind? Is that open to new ideas?

2) Club/winter series vs national's? It's all about set your sights high. How many woman do you know, who are just dying to have that cubic zirconia ring.....

If this really was what he was trying to elude to with no underhanded cheap shot at another club intended, why didn't he use the club he is president of and the AMCC summer series as the example to try and aspire more than? I'll help you out and see how you think it would read "These guys had competed in the nationals and not just some AMCC summer series."

open your eyes Malcy!

[Biggles08]

At the end of the day bud - we ALL know you have very little respect for the AMCC and even less for their president - so in future if you get something sent to you like this, just simply don't read it. Throw it out and move on. It's that simple! You seem to have spent a lot of time analysing this piece of writing when I'm sure you've got better things to do.

AMCC is an inert item and as such I have no feelings towards it as a club either good or bad. I do certainly believe the AMCC leadership needs to take a long hard look at what is happening right under their noses. I do have some hope for the future for this club once things start changing as I'm sure many would agree needs to happen. Its no so much a witch hunt that is required but a re-evaluation of where things have got to, how they got to that stage, and how to change. Items like this one show me that the AMCC President still seems to be hell bent on doing WHATEVER he wants to do rather than listening to people around him with good ideas. Hell maybe even learning off other clubs instead of bagging them!

Also, If everyone ignored problems they would never be changed. there is a saying that I'll paraphrase but its along the lines of "A sign of insainity is doing the same things over and over again expecting a different result." First problems need to be realized and accepted as such, then everyone can get on with working towards fixing the problem. From where I'm sitting it appears 90% of AMCC's issues lay with its leader's lack of accepting that there IS a problem!

[Benk]

Haha, let it diiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.............

[prettybillie]

Also, If everyone ignored problems they would never be changed. there is a saying that I'll paraphrase but its along the lines of "A sign of insainity is doing the same things over and over again expecting a different result." First problems need to be realized and accepted as such, then everyone can get on with working towards fixing the problem. From where I'm sitting it appears 90% of AMCC's issues lay with its leader's lack of accepting that there IS a problem!

Do I hear you volunteering yourself for the AMCC President's role. All in favour say "I"

[malcy25]

FFS Malcy I believe it to be you that needs to "open your eyes" if you can't see the link that everyone knows was VMCC. How many winter series are there that potential AMCC members might know about and compete in...answer that please? Oh hell, I'll play your game A: ONLY VMCC!

I agree completely with you here but disagree that this piece of writing will help any of these you are refering to.

Sounds like "in the good ol days" AMCC and its leader(s) had a bit of vision and enthusiasim.....the way i see it LOTS has changed!

my eyes are very open malcy....how about your mind? Is that open to new ideas?

If this really was what he was trying to elude to with no underhanded cheap shot at another club intended, why didn't he use the club he is president of and the AMCC summer series as the example to try and aspire more than? I'll help you out and see how you think it would read "These guys had competed in the nationals and not just some AMCC summer series."

open your eyes Malcy!

Still takin' the bait I see....

I agree completely with you here but disagree that this piece of writing will help any of these you are refering to.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. I have seen the results - many many riders do not know even where to start and what is involved in attracting sponsors, or what they need to provide in return. I'll credit you with the fact that you have, and you have gone outside the industry which is bloody good. However, you are the exception, but that is clouding your view of the world. Not everyone by far has have had the skills or results you have and need the direct high level steerage.

Sounds like "in the good ol days" AMCC and its leader(s) had a bit of vision and enthusiasim.....the way i see it LOTS has changed!

my eyes are very open malcy....how about your mind? Is that open to new ideas?

Thanks, I see it as one of the best of many things I have helped develop & instigate over the years at various levels in the motorcycle sport community in NZ. I guess that by default must mean I am open to new ideas (gosh, it could be even said that at various times I created results, not just ideas.....)

Q: You know why the scholarship stopped?
A: Mostly rider apathy. They wouldn't get off the arse for almost no strings attached cash. When they did, some didn't even bother to tell the sponsor what they did.

As benk says, let it diiiiiieeeeeeee, get over it, stop fixating on him. I doubt he is on you...

[scracha]

Q: So where does it say it was the VMCC winter series?

Please send me details of another winter series in the North Island. I'm always keen to get more races in.

Selfish?
So, tell me again, how exactly is he being selfish?

Fair points, but for the love of ged can baby boomers stop implying that today's racers are all lasy wee $hites who've had everything handed on a plate?

"Another top racer used to finish work at 5pm, and then race into town and pump gas from 6pm till midnight, he did this 4 nights a week. Then through the winter he also worked the weekends"

Patronising or what?

Finishing well after 5pm, taking work home with them and working quite a few weekends, often away from home is the norm for a hell of a lot of racers.

[Biggles08]

Do I hear you volunteering yourself for the AMCC President's role. All in favour say "I"

Nay! I think your more suited to that role PB!

[prettybillie]

Nay! I think your more suited to that role PB!

What and have bastards like you abusing me all the time for doing the job I don't get paid to do.......I'll pass thanks mate

[Skunk]

What and have bastards like you abusing me all the time for doing the job I don't get paid to do.......I'll pass thanks mate

Join the club

[Biggles08]

What and have bastards like you abusing me all the time for doing the job I don't get paid to do.......I'll pass thanks mate

I would think you would love it....then you could have endless reasons to be a bitch right back at 'bastards like me'

[scott411]

What and have bastards like you abusing me all the time for doing the job I don't get paid to do.......I'll pass thanks mate

the best thing said in this whole thread, the truth is less people are putting there hands up for jobs in clubs, and MNZ (there is a road race and safety comissioners roll up for grabs if anyone wants them),

websites and people bashing the club helpers on here are not making it any easier, you need races and officials to make a decent race meeting,

ill give you some credit Biggles, at least you make yourself known who you are,

[Biggles08]

the best thing said in this whole thread, the truth is less people are putting there hands up for jobs in clubs, and MNZ (there is a road race and safety comissioners roll up for grabs if anyone wants them),

websites and people bashing the club helpers on here are not making it any easier, you need races and officials to make a decent race meeting,

ill give you some credit Biggles, at least you make yourself known who you are,

Just to be very clear scott411...I am NOT bashing anyone...including the Club President, I am however criticising his performance and methods. Who else would you suggest should hold club leaders accountable if not their very own (ex) members? Its all very well to say that these forums dont help for people to want to stand up...but remember where most of the volunteers actually come from...here usually. Forums are a fantastic way for people to say what is really going on. I won't get into it here as there are plenty of other threads to discuss the pros and cons about forums. This thread was only a reaction to reading a poorly drafted report that I still believe was written with a bad undertone.

[prettybillie]

I would think you would love it....then you could have endless reasons to be a bitch right back at 'bastards like me'

Really? I think all the clubs across New Zealand have extremely professional presidents who, unlike me, don't waste their time bitching about and to bastards like you...........this tread bores me now.....going to see what shit I can stir in another one

[Teambwr47]

Biggles,

From what i know of you you've been in the sport of racing for a relatively short space of time but seem to want to change an awful lot of things...

With respect you're going to find that a lot of people put a lot of time into running events for you and i to race at. Like me you will (I had) have dreams of making it to professional level racing but the reality is you will always remain an amateur and the sport will be your hobby.

I've raced at most levels and a hell of lot of people have volunteered their time as organisers/medics/marshals etc to provide events for me to enjoy 15 years of racing at from club to BSB racing. Along the way I've met many people some of whom I've not agreed with in terms of decisions most notable of which was the head or the ACU in the UK who was also head of one of the main UK clubs New Era.

I know Chris Costello from racing with the AMCC this past season and while he says it in an unusal fashion sometimes he has the interests of the sport and riders at heart even if that is in his own ideas and views.

You have moaned on a regular basis about Pukekohe and the AMCC... mate don't ride at Pukekohe and don't enter AMCC events....end of your issues!

In the meantime many of us will be out at Pukekohe in October for round 1.