Greenpeace chain themselves to a ship

[davereid]

Yup, the watered down ETS is indeed an inadequate response. In fact I don't think the Nats have any clue of how to deal with this, nor any willingness to work it out.

Explain how it should be dealt with - cos its got me beaten.

I understand how carbon trading/rationing/taxing (Its all the same under the skin) works.

Products with a large carbon footprint will get more expensive. It doesnt matter how its done, by a direct tax, by making the manufacturer buy carbon credits etc etc, the end result is the price increases.

Then consumption will drop, as people use less of them.

But, the things that have a large carbon footprint, are by and large food production, electricity production, and transportation.

How much would food have to go up, before you ate 40% less ?

Or do you have another idea ?

[Mekk]

Well i reckon Greenpeace have got too tame, silly little placards to small to read, very pointless and not enough impact, do what the French did to the Greenpeace boat years ago, blow the fucken boat up, that will get some attention.

Al-Qaeda did that. I don't think the free world is really down with their cause...

[wbks]

Remind me again about where Greenpeace fits into this scenario of yours?

Haha, what scenario have I mentioned? I just said that some people here need a reminder that they have done some good things, and maybe have a little respect because of that. I believe the French even got their hands dirty with some terrorism on our little country and killed a man because of the amount of good GreenPeace did

[Pixie]

Every time GrinPiss International Corporation performs one of it's stunts,I go and pour some used engine oil down a whale's blowhole.

[Pixie]

They're prattling on about the cow cockies using palm kernal,ffs it is a by- product from the end of production of palm oil.It is not farmings fault it is used as food supplement,and is used not chucked in landfills.Farmers don't cause deforestation soley to create palm kernal,the idiots from greenpiece should open there eyes and maybe listen to those in the know.Except they are blinkered.Somewhere in the middle is the answer.

GrinPiss are trying to shift attention away from the fact that they are responsible for the boom in the palm industry, due to their insistence on the use of biofuels.

[Pixie]

Excuse my ignorance, But wtf is the problem or what is palm oil.

Fattmax you stay out of this.

Palm oil is a masturbatory aid.
Grin Piss believe all wanking should be done au naturale

[James Deuce]

GrinPiss are trying to shift attention away from the fact that they are responsible for the boom in the palm industry, due to their insistence on the use of biofuels.

Bing!

Greenpeace are dodgy and always have been. Any organisation started by ex-Special Forces, ex-Mercenaries and using the cardinal rule of recruiting teenage babes to recruit teenage blokes is not the shining light of conservation its PR arm presents. They doctor film and photos to make it look like Governments deliberately target them in International waters and then fall back on the righteous catch-all of promoting a globally important cause and the ends justifies the means (think of the children) to keep housewives onside and donating.

Cynical, exploitative wankers. Bit like the French really.

[Pixie]

What a load of bollocks....we need birth control before we need any of that shit.
Man, I just cant understand why you folk are so scared of them...is it because youre selfish & it all about you & nothing else matters?
Ill bet youll winge about anything that may effect you personally, but otherwise wouldnt make a stand on anything that might be for the greater good...
Its that kind of attitude that will lead to the suffering of all. I pity future generations....
When did you last see a politician ,or GE dude or multinational conglomerate middleman starving?. They dont . Its the poor who starve, while fucking thier enviroment trying to be competitive in a free trade world,just like most primary producers here .

Go back to Russia

[Winston001]

You people praising Greenpeace are seriously deluded.

They're an intrinsically evil organisation that directly contributes to poverty, starvation, and misery amongst the inhabitants of the the third world.

We need intensive farming to feed the third world. If there's going to be any hope of a second green revolution in places like Africa then we will need to deploy GM, fertilisation, and intensive farming techniques.

Don't hold back man, let your rightous anger out!

But malheursement, you miss the real issue. The Earth holds too many people. We've exceeded the point where we can provide clean water, good food, and healthcare to every one of 6.5 billion people. Can't be done.

So to alleviate the future suffering, third world populations need to fall dramatically. That's unlikely to be voluntary so war and plague are the default. Awful but inevitable.

Yes we could for a generation or two ramp up food production, drain aquifers and lakes, by which point there will be 10 billion people......and we start all over again.

For example, Ethiopia is currently experiencing a famine. They had a famine 25 years ago. Population then - 40 million. Population today 80 million. This can't go on forever.

[wbks]

Don't hold back man, let your rightous anger out!

But malheursement, you miss the real issue. The Earth holds too many people. We've exceeded the point where we can provide clean water, good food, and healthcare to every one of 6.5 billion people. Can't be done.

So to alleviate the future suffering, third world populations need to fall dramatically. That's unlikely to be voluntary so war and plague are the default. Awful but inevitable.

Yes we could for a generation or two ramp up food production, drain aquifers and lakes, by which point there will be 10 billion people......and we start all over again.

For example, Ethiopia is currently experiencing a famine. They had a famine 25 years ago. Population then - 40 million. Population today 80 million. This can't go on forever.

War is no master plan to reduce the amount of stress on the planet or people on it, it's a way for certain people to get rich. 6.5 Billion people could be fed, but it's not human nature to behave that way.

[dogsnbikes]

Reminds me of the time in 1988 when we came into Wellington with the Dutch navy after being In Aussie,and some Activist decided to park his little canoe between us and the whaf...

Now stopping 3000tonnes of warship just isn't going to happen,ok he got out alive pity about the canoe

But they know the risk's, but always use the same line and its never their fault they will tell you,you couldv'e stopped

the time will come whe ship's captains will just start heaving in the Anchor,see how fast they unlock themselves then cause they know they aren't going to fit through that hole but the anchor chain will keep going instant burley think someone mention that before

[Winston001]

Products with a large carbon footprint will get more expensive. ........the end result is the price increases.

Then consumption will drop, as people use less of them.

But, the things that have a large carbon footprint, are by and large food production, electricity production, and transportation.

How much would food have to go up, before you ate 40% less ?

Sort of. What should happen is substitution. You install solar panels to generate your own electricity. Use low energy appliances. Bicycle or bus/train to work.

Food production in Asia, India, and China doesn't have a large carbon footprint and is cheap. The big difference is there isn't a lot of meat.

So we'd start eating like hippies - vegans. Fruit and vege with a little meat. Personally I love Indian food and when I was in India ate no meat for two weeks. Didn't miss it either which for a farmers son, was a big surprise.

[PirateJafa]

Why don't they just let the chain out a couple more metres?

When the "activist" is half-submerged in cold water for hours on end, I suspect their enthusiasm will start to wane.

[Blackbird]

Mmmm.....except NZ is the biggest importer of palm kernal cake so it makes a lot of sense to target us.

Any economic disincentive to stop razing hardwood forests has to be a good thing. We don't do it. The Ozzies don't do it. Why encourage Asian nations? We all live on the same planet.

The Aussies probably don't, but it didn't stop Woolworth Australia importing tissue products made from unsustainable resources in Indonesia a couple of years back as their premium tissues brand, mainly because it was as cheap as chips. Hell of a row and withdrawn smartly.

Very few people are truly altruistic. It mostly comes down to price. I'm two-faced like that too.

[monkeymcbean]

Al-Qaeda did that. I don't think the free world is really down with their cause...

Oh and what did the free world think of the French bombng the Rainbow warrior.....don't think they blinked and eyelid....funny how its something that people take notice of now.........if you read the rest of my post, any person with a bit of logic knows its not the solution.