Global warming?

[paddy]

Global warming is definitely real, I mean, it was only a month ago that I was regularly using the heater at night. Now, I need to put the thinner duvet on. That's pretty rapid change...

[Quasievil]

I wonder, why did they re-brand "global warming" into "climate change". To every man with more than one brain cell it must be pretty obvious that global warming sucks. Just think about it - people have caused global warming once and now all wooly mammoths are gone...

Are you seriously saying Humans are responsible for the Mammoth demise due to our climate change influences?

[Skyryder]

Glodal warming is really hitting home here where it's a sweltering 2.7 degrees at Chez Scumdog back door right now..

So I suppose 'streaking' is out of the question


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Are you seriously saying Humans are responsible for the Mammoth demise due to our climate change influences?

Last I heard the Wooly Mammoths died out due to a shearers strike. They over cooked and a big feast was had by all.

Skyryder

[Winston001]

I wonder, why did they re-brand "global warming" into "climate change"?

I think global warming was too simplistic a term. Climate is extraordinarily complex, one place heats up, that causes another to receive cold wet weather as a reaction, tends to undermine the assumption of uniform warming.

Also global warming has become confused with anthropogenic causes - has mankind caused it? Its a pointless debate but rages nonetheless.

So climate change is more accurate and avoids the "manmade" label. Its essentially a pollution issue but in this soundbite age, politicians can't explain it properly.

The carbon trading scheme is a crude but useful economic instrument to force people to stop polluting the planet. I'm not convinced NZ is fairly treated under it.

[Winston001]

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Common sense suggests that the multinational conglomerate corporations have it in their interests to employ scientists to attempt to disprove climate change. So if we go with your theory of "want truth follow the money" it would lead us right back to those responsible for dumping millions of tonnes of GH gasses into the atmosphere.

Ah nice to see someone spell it out. I cannot for the life of me understand conspiracy theorists who think climate change and carbon trading are a scam designed to make money for mysterious unnamed parties.

Follow the money = the last thing any politician wants is to impose more taxes on people for no visible benefit. That is political suicide.

Follow the money = which is in the hands of existing corporate businesses including the vast oil and chemical industries. Why would any of them want governments imposing taxes which will reduce their sales?? In fact they want the opposite - the faster oil is used up, the higher the price goes, the better the profits.

[Street Gerbil]

Climate changes. Period. Re-branding "global warming" is a good old bait-and-switch: "Ok, we told you it is getting warmer, ok, so it is not getting warmer, but climate changes, right? Ok, so you agree that climate changes, right, QED: global warming is real!".
Quasi, to answer your question. I believe that that humankind is complicit in the current global warming to the same extent as in the previous one (which ended the Ice Age), and extinction of woolly mammoths. H. Turtledove penned a beautiful short story about the dangers of global warming through the eyes of a prehistoric man - I will post the link if I'll find it online.

[cold comfort]

Great reply- love the quote too. Just finished Ian Wisharts "Aircon" Excellent counterargument to the Global Warming disciples. Too many to list but compelling argument to question the official line. Already the long suffering taxpayer is being set up to subsidise this ludicrous ETS. When companies like Enron are prepared to spend millions lobbying in support of such, one has to question whos getting screwed. Al Gores famous hockey stick graph (now discredited) which conveniently removed the "middle warming period" (14-16th cent) and the inconvenient evidence rising C02 is actually inversely related to air temp all is reason for deep suspicion.

[Winston001]

When companies like Enron are prepared to spend millions lobbying in support of such, one has to question whos getting screwed.

Enron. That's the evidence for a global conspiracy? Enron? The same company which crashed in spectacular fashion in 2001 - 8 years ago - losing billions? This is the success story for "follow the money"???

[scumdog]

The carbon trading scheme is a crude but useful economic instrument to force people to stop polluting the planet. I'm not convinced NZ is fairly treated under it.

Damn tootin' right - I bet China, India etc who don't give a fat-rats-arse about 'carbon credits', the Kyoto Protocol and pollution in general don't have any penalties inflicted on THEM!

PS: I gotta whole barn load of 'carbon-credits' for sale, mint condition, low-mileage, desireable colours and ready for use.
PM me for prices....

[oldrider]

Welcome home Winston001, rested refreshed and (obviously) fighting fit! Cheers Winston, good to see you back in the saddle, as it were!

[Skyryder]

For those that have read Wisharts AIRCON the following link might be of interest.

http://hot-topic.co.nz/somethin%E2%80%99-stupid/

I have not read his book so can not give an opinion on the credibility of the critique of the link or not.

Crazy Ol' Ian Wishart

There's a very amusing blog-exchange going on between Gareth Renowden of climate blog Hot Topic and Ian Wishart of independent current affairs mag Investigate. It's on the subject of Wishart's new book "Con Air", about how global warming is an unscientific fraud. Renowden tore it to shreds in a review, and predictably Wishart responded; Renowden decided it was simpler not to engage with his nonsense, which got another Wishart response. So Renowden proceeded to dismantle Wishart's claims, picked up another Wishart response, and then shot that one by showing the research Wishart was talking about actually meant the opposite of what he thought it did.

from

http://www.additiverich.com/morgue/archives/002894.html


There's a fair bit of stuff with all this.

Skyryder

[Pixie]

I just want the climate to stay the way it's always been

[Pixie]

I wonder, why did they re-brand "global warming" into "climate change". To every man with more than one brain cell it must be pretty obvious that global warming sucks. Just think about it - people have caused global warming once and now all wooly mammoths are gone...

Wrong! The Diplodoci caused Global Cooling and the climate is just getting back to normal after 200,000,000 years

[SPORK]

On the subject of resource consumption, overpopulation and environmental damage - I encourage people to pick up the latest (?) copy of National Geographic. Very informative and provoking.