To all those people who voted National.

[Brian d marge]

Spot on. When will the penny drop, and the brutal truth of the power/wealth/politics nexus become apparent?
Answer: never, because the people, being as self-interested and short-sighted as those pulling the strings, but on average less intelligent, will forever be conned by those who have at their disposal the vast resources and sophisticated techniques of public relations (i.e. propaganda) and marketing/advertising (i.e. manipulation).
Those who argue that today's economic freedoms and greater material prosperity (compared with 20 or 30 years ago) represent progress have been willingly duped by those whose gains have been immeasurably greater than any realised by the average worker.
There is a Latin phrase which ought to be on the lips of everyone who wants to comprehend the reason behind every political, social and above all economic reform: cui bono? Roughly translated it means "Who stands to benefit"?
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Agreed , but thats what happens when you borrow money from the IMF or world bank and are borrowing now at ,,,how much?

Then they come along , suggest that you put in place a laissez-faire economy privatized up the wazzu , then the assets ( i want to meet this girl ) are repatriated overseas with very little benefit to NZ

Strange how the pollys alway seem to say the same thing once in power ....

I honestly dont know how to deal with it , play the system as much as they play you , invest in local schemes run by local people

buy NZ, from NZ owned companies

Borrow for houses etc from funds sourced and returned to NZ ( mum and dad, )

avoid credit like the plague unless its NZ sourced

Vote Maori party ( yes I know ,,,but I don't know any other party that has NZ at heart , and be held accountable through strong tradition ,,, I mean you cant sell the forest to Canadians if half the family are underneath it or you have been cutting you hair beneath the peach tree!

NZ with four million people , in a garden the size of Japan would be a fantastic place if the money simply stayed ,,,IN NZ

Stephen

Edit I need to digest an interesting argument put of by Prof Mc can , on national radio to day. NZ paradox .... not sure if it will change the above by much ,,,but its a new view point and if anyone can supply a copy of his paper I would be grateful

[SPman]

They have to be passed slowly because they're so stupid.

Which is better than Key & Co ramming through all their non written, non scrutinised, barely debated, appalling bills through parliament under urgency, including corrupt little add ons, like ceding public reserve land to mates of MP's........
If the public of NZ don't wake up soon, they'll deserve everything they will be bleating about, later.

there may be a few positive signs out there.....here's hoping........

[Flatcap]

Which is better than Key & Co ramming through all their non written, non scrutinised, barely debated, appalling bills through parliament under urgency, including corrupt little add ons, like ceding public reserve land to mates of MP's........
If the public of NZ don't wake up soon, they'll deserve everything they will be bleating about, later.

there may be a few positive signs out there.....here's hoping........

Such is democracy, the worst system of government, apart from all the rest

[Highlander]

Of course you voted for the business party. You're anti-worker by job description

I don't understand.

The way I see it we are all either unemployed, self empoyed or employed by a business....

If unemployed wouldn't you want business to be doing well, thereby increase your chances of getting a job, or at least to keep paying taxes so you can keep collecting a benefit (if you don't want to or are unable to work)?

If you are self employed then don't you want the Government of the day to be in favour of those who are in business so you have a greater chance of succeeding?

If you are employed by a business then don't you want the Government of the day to create an environment where the business you work for can flourish in order to keep you employed, maybe even get a pay rise?


For what it is worth I don't agree with the proposed ACC changes, and exercised my political influence by submitting to ACC, writing to the Prime Minister, the Minister of ACC and my local Member of Parliament. But I won't be voting on one issue alone when I go into the polling booth in a couple of years time.


Edit: For those that didn't vote, what you are really saying is "I go along with what you others decide on my behalf", in the words of Steve Earl "Don't Vote? Don't Bitch!!"

[MisterD]

I don't understand.

The way I see it we are all either unemployed, self empoyed or employed by a business....

Don't worry about it, lefties don't do logic.

[Skyryder]

Don't worry about it, lefties don't do logic.

Going by Brashe's task force report I thought it was the other way round.


Skyryder

[naphazoline]

Dol!

Homer

I hate to say it,but............................................ ............................

I TOLD YOU SO!

Well.....Actually,it felt good.

[James Deuce]

Vote Maori party ( yes I know ,,,but I don't know any other party that has NZ at heart , and be held accountable through strong tradition ,,, I mean you cant sell the forest to Canadians if half the family are underneath it or you have been cutting you hair beneath the peach tree!

Giving that serious consideration. I'd rather be a 2nd class citizen under Maori, than a 3rd class slave under a Chinese Provincial Governor.

[SMOKEU]

Fuck National

[merv]

By the way, where is Finn these days - he hasn't defended his Government for a while?

[98tls]

Fuck National

Fuck em all,nothing but a circus and the only thing that changes is the ringmaster,still the same old clowns year in year out.

[Brian d marge]

Giving that serious consideration. I'd rather be a 2nd class citizen under Maori, than a 3rd class slave under a Chinese Provincial Governor.

it will means drinking lion red and getting me eggs cooked

and the old folk wont like it

Stephen

[Motu]

By the way, where is Finn these days - he hasn't defended his Government for a while?

Achieved his objective - swaying the sheep on this site against Labour and making them vote National.It was going to happen anyway,a 4th term from Labour was stretching it a bit.But it would of been better if these young first time voters could of thought things out for themselves instead of their brains being poisoned by hate.

[Hinny]

A single issue shouldn't govern your voting habits.

It seems every day the media is reporting another Nat.- fuck-up.

Nat supporters view this as a Left leaning press.
Demonstrably wrong.

The perception that the National party is for business is pretty ironic.
If you look at the stats over the last forty years you would see business failures reaching record numbers under National govts.
Foreign big business does OK tho'.

The perception that the Labour party is for dole bludgers is similarly flawed as unemployment reaches record lows whenever Labour govts. are at the helm. Lower unemployment = fewer dole bludgers.

[Hinny]

Don't worry about it, lefties don't do logic.

Jerry had some good logical advice for George in 'Seinfeld'.
Since George was getting everything wrong Jerry suggested he should just do the opposite to that which he was about to do.
It worked.

I think you should try the same.