Fail: Sea Shepherd

[JimO]

The Japanese have been plundering our fisheries for years. They would still be doing this if they thought they could get away with it. Most of the world's government have condemned the Japanese whaling practices, but on here they are the good guys. Imagine the furor if some cage deliberately drove into a group of bikers while on an ACC protest ride on the basis that the driver did not agree with our stand.

Some of you guys need to differentiate between the act of deliberately ramming a NZ registered ship, and the politics of whaling. It’s pretty clear to me after watching the vid who is in the wrong. That interpretation aside you do not deliberatly hose down the crew on a boat that you have accidently rammed.

Like I said, the same act against us by a cage driver who disagrees with our ACC stance……………….and this would be acceptable?? I don’t think so.

Skyryder

so if a protesting biker rode his bike in front of a moving bus and got rundown thats the busses fault.....yea rite

[Jantar]

so if a protesting biker rode his bike in front of a moving bus and got rundown thats the busses fault.....yea rite

It is if the bus turned into the rider, or if the bus was supposed to give and purposely failed to do so.

[McJim]

It is if the bus turned into the rider, or if the bus was supposed to give and purposely failed to do so.

Which is not the case in this instance according to collision regulations.

[Mikkel]

It all depends on where you shoot the video.

Compare that video to this one.

Come on mate. Get with the programme. That particular video has been linked twice earlier in the thread and doesn't really show a clear perspective - all you can see is that the distance between the two boats quite quickly gets smaller and then the collision occurs. The video taken from the 3rd ship clearly shows the Japanese vessel undertaking a sharp turn to starboard just before ramming the Ady Gil and then a sharp turn to port to clear it again. Whether the Japanese captain intended to ram or just to intimidate the Ady Gil I can not say - nonetheless that's where the fault lies.

Considering that the Ady Gil has been antagonising the Japanese vessels prior to this, it doesn't make much sense for it to sit still on the water like that. It's a bit like tipping your drink into the lap of that big mean angry guy with the tattoos in the pub and then just sitting down at your seat with your back turned towards him. If he goes to hit you, yes he's in the wrong - legally, but you sure had it coming.

I must say, I do like how the Japanese keep on blasting them with the water cannons even after their boat has been wrecked. Top marks for callousness.

[Tank]

Dont bring a knife to a gun fight.

Piss off a big boat enough and they are going to smack ya. I hope that in the investigations that ALL the tapes are released and the public gets to see just how many times the Ady Gil put them and the japs in danger out there.

I think public sympathy (what there is of it) will dry up somewhat.

[davereid]

I think public sympathy (what there is of it) will dry up somewhat.

They are terrorists. The Japanese should simply declare them as such, and sink them on sight.

1979: A Sea Shepherd vessel rams the whaling vessel “Sierra”, causing considerable damage.
“Sierra” survives attack.
1980: The IWC at its meeting in Brighton, United Kingdom, assigns high-level protection to two
Canadian Government delegates after Watson threatened to kill them for voting against a
moratorium on sperm whales. Delegates given Royal Canadian Mounted Police protection until
their return home to Canada.
1980: The “Sierra” is sunk in Lisbon harbour. Sea Shepherd claims responsibility. Investigation
shows limpet mines used to blow up the vessel.
1981: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of the two whaling vessels, Ibsa I and
Ibsa II, in the Spanish harbour of Viga.
1986: Sea Shepherd attempts to stop Faroe Islands pilot whale harvest. Using rifles, Sea
Shepherd activists shoot at Faroe Islands police in an attempt to sink their rubber dinghies. At a later stage the Sea Shepherd used “toads”
(rotating iron spikes, pointed and sharp at both ends) against the rubber dinghies … petrol was
poured over the side of the ship and signal flares were thrown from the “Sea Shepherd” in an
attempt to set the petrol on fire.”
1986: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of two whaling vessels in Reykjavik,
Iceland, and for malicious damage to a whaling station. (This act of violence was carried out after
Iceland stopped whaling in line with the IWC moratorium on commercial whaling.) Attack
carried out by Sea Shepherd members Rodney A. Coronado and David Howitt. (Coronado linked
to Animal Liberation Front and arrested eight years later by United States FBI for his part in an
ALF attack on Michigan State University research laboratory.
Charges included use of an
explosive device, theft and arson.)

Only the un-informed would support them.
If whaling is to be ended it can only be justified on the basis of extinction.
Pointing out they are intelligent, pretty, mammals, and that we like them, is completely irrelevant.

Many in india would condem our treatment of cows, an animal they hold sacred.

Survival of the cutest is not going to change the japanese at all.

[Mikkel]

Indeed, they've been doing silly shit for ages.

Anyway, I still think that the term "militant activists" is much more fitting than "terrorist". They are fighting for a cause they believe in - and, unlike terrorists, not by trying induce fear into the heart of the common man by seemingly pointless acts of violence and mass-destruction.

[avgas]

been said here before......but its pretty obvious to me that regardless of who is right and wrong.....1 boat got fucked the other didn't.

While I agree with Sea Sheppard plight - they have just recently proved how stupid they are.
Did they really expect a ship with a few hundred tons of momentum........to avoid them in a game of chicken?

Thanks Sea Sheppard for doing nothing except sink a piece of NZ history. Anyone want to sell them Endevour?

Clearly they were not using Earthrace as they originally intended.........to block harpoons. Also turns out is a really crappy speed bump. People learn new things every day

[avgas]

unlike terrorists, not by trying induce fear into the heart of the common man by seemingly pointless acts of violence and mass-destruction.

errrr what?
your kidding right - The head of sea sheppard has been quoted for saying "We hope they get scared and go home refusing to come back again"

[dogsnbikes]

I hear its 1-0 to the whalers now one plastic tub has sunk

[RantyDave]

then a sharp turn to port to clear it again.

A sharp turn to port???? It was clonked on the starboard bow by an offshore powerboat at full tilt. It's gonna turn to port regardless of what's done with the helm.

Whether the Japanese captain intended to ram or just to intimidate the Ady Gil I can not say - nonetheless that's where the fault lies.

Bullshit. The Ady Gil engaged it's engines and powered into the side of the Japanese ship.

Regardless of how you feel about whaling, they're dickheads risking lives to try to prevent an entirely lawful activity. It's exactly the same as vegans taking pot shots at dairy farmers.

Dave

[White trash]

A sharp turn to port???? It was clonked on the starboard bow by an offshore powerboat at full tilt. It's gonna turn to port regardless of what's done with the helm.

Bullshit. The Ady Gil engaged it's engines and powered into the side of the Japanese ship.

Regardless of how you feel about whaling, they're dickheads risking lives to try to prevent an entirely lawful activity. It's exactly the same as vegans taking pot shots at dairy farmers.

Dave

Agree. Had the Ady Gil remained idling alongside, it may have bumped the side of the japanese vessel a few times, possibly minor damage. Not lying at the bootom of the southern ocean.

[Tank]

Lefties and Greenies together - Labour actually think that the G'ment should step in and step up for the assholes.

http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/...lers/#comments


On the bright side it has now sunk:

A high-speed protest vessel has sunk after colliding with a ship with the Japanese whaling fleet in Antarctic waters on Wednesday.

The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society says the Ady Gil, formerly known as Earthrace, was being towed to a French research station when it sank at 5am (NZT) on Friday.

It was about 10 hours from the base.

Sea Shepherd says the vessel began taking on more and more water and nothing could be done to save it.

Captain Paul Watson says diesel and oil had already been removed to avoid any pollution.

Both Sea Shepherd and the Japanese blame each other for the incident.

Captain Watson says the Japanese will treat the incident as a green light to become more violent if there is no diplomatic action by officials in Australia and New Zealand.

[Skyryder]

Which is not the case in this instance according to collision regulations.

There's going to be an enquery into this as to who is at fault. I'm not going to pick a wnner................problaby be a draw. Bets anyone??


Skyryder

[McJim]

There's going to be an enquery into this as to who is at fault. I'm not going to pick a wnner................problaby be a draw. Bets anyone??


Skyryder

No whaling vessel can move 2 knots directly sideways. The Earthrace powered up on purpose to get under their prow. you can clearly see the increase of plumes from the smaller boats engines propelling it into the path. I hope the inquest finds in favour of the Japanese. I see Watson has been bleating on about a New Zealander being allegedly employed by the Japanese to monitor Sea Shithard ships. And why the fuck shouldn't they. Does the twat really believe the western world is 100% behind him? I would like to see Sea shepherd sunk as much as the Japs. Especially as I suspect they framed the French with the Rainbow Warrior incident. Limpet mines are more their modus operandi.