nar, that was just the english starting to take over Australia.Originally Posted by rumgirl
a step in the right direction
another wet bus ticket
too hard on crims, give em a break
it's week, I prefer vigilante justice
Aio ki te Aorangi
nar, that was just the english starting to take over Australia.
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Loud and Uncouth
Don't worry, NZ Govt will water it all down to the stage where it will only apply to 18+-years-old-with- two-previous-convictions-for-the-same- imprisonable-offence within-a-two-year-time-frame.
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Rider in training
I wish I could agree with you, but I can't. Judge's are usually bound by what other Judge's have previously given out. They can't suddenly give a sentence out which is much harsher than what other people have been given for a similar circumstance. Judges can also be given guidelines by the MOJ.
And none of this reflects how the public feels.
There often is a core of repeat offenders. They keep repeating no matter what. This will allow those people to be kept in jail much longer. The result will be much lower rates of offending and re-offending - because they have much less opportunity. And if it is anything like what happened in LA, it acted as a significant deterrent to criminals in training. They know once they have had two strikes the next time is going to be "bad". No more community service.
Hardcore Biker
In gerneral I've been completely against 3 strike policies, but this one seems to have enough qualifications (crime warranting more than 5 years, judges discretion to waive it etc) that it works for me.
The thing which really worries me about 3 strike policies is that you get criminals who realise they're about to get arrested for the third offence, and suddenly have nothing to lose; who cares if they have to shoot a cop to get away, if they don't get away they're in deep shit regardless. It leads to an 'all or nothing' mentality which can often result in more crimes being committed to avoid arrest.
I also find it interesting how everyone seems so keen to move towards a US style prison system, when they have serious crime issues and a huge % of the population in prison, compared to a scandanavian style system which seems to work much better (for them anyway)...
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Rider in training
They also have loose gun control laws, and a far more serious drug scene than us. So I don't think you can attribute their serious crime issue soley to the fact they like to put the "bad" guys in jail and leave them there.
Slapper?
Didnt they come up with a 3 strike policy for drink driving a few years back which was never enforced,for my money this will go the same way.If a judge has room to move it seems he will.
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troglodytam extraordinaire
What a pile of crap. this is like saying putting someone in jail has no effect so we will just let everyone out, or the boy racer who will loose his car so will just run.
if you can't live within the law you should be put away, and if it is your third offence you should never be let out period.
if somebody is going to shoot a copper to get away then they should just be put down end of story.
its people like you that have been voting with a liberal amount of do gooder labour crap that has put us where we are now because all the crim's are just laughing.
This is a good start but goes know where far enough. Bring back public hanging.
troglodytam extraordinaire
posted it tiwce sorry.
Last edited by BoristheBiter; 20th January 2010 at 06:44. Reason: posted twice
Just a Dog
Don't know if it was just the way i heard it, but the way they put it across on the news, it sounded like if ya have several violent offences on yr record already, the old offences will not be taken into account for this 3rd strike policy !
So violent offenders will be getting realeased for the next ten years and will be allowed to reoffend violently three more times before they aint elligable for parole ! WTF
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Bowls can wait !
Loud and Uncouth
Told you it would be watered down....and that's not the last bit of 'watering down' we'll see.....
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"Public Hanging" Now there was a deterrent that didn't fail! Afraid that by the time this law hits our streets it'll mean very few crims will ever feel the finger on thier collar for the full stint.
Back to basisc, you shoot someone YOU get shot, you steal, you lose a hand and all rights of ordinary citizens form that day onwards For Good,never to be trusted again.No crims on bikes then aye.
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According to the government's mouthpiese (tv1) last night, there is no parole on the second offence. The third offence gets the maximum penalty + no parole.
Still, too pussified and lacking teeth to be decent legislation. Open to interpretation by the judge, so it will be a balls-up.
When they finally work out that single occupant jail cells are an absolute joke and that by sticking a bunk bed in each cell (like the British have done since the '50's), suddenly they have enough space to accomodate a larger population.
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Highway Biker
Good start, but it still seems a bit light to me. I'd want to see the punishment being a lot harsher, prisons becoming REAL prisons and not temporary holiday accomodation along with using prisoners as labour. There are plenty of roads that need re-doing, orchards that need picking or fields that need to be cleared of gorse / whatever. Might as well use them while we're paying for them and hopefully they'll learn a trade out of it.
Just faidin away!
Did anyone else notice the quality of the footwear and apparel worn by the "prisoners" shown on the TV footage accompanying the release of the said information?
Absolutely top class stuff!
You can't afford stuff like that if you are just on a pension, so who get the rewards in this country?
Crime does pay in New Zealand it seems!
Rider in training
The new proposed law removes the discretionary power of Judges. The law requires them on the third strike to give the maximum sentence. No ifs, buts or maybes.
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