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    Quote Originally Posted by freedom-wedge View Post
    , I,m raisning the ACC levey,
    I thought we were talking about breakfast food? I've never tried raisins on my toast before. However I think that they may have been in my hot x buns yesterday....
    "Some people are like clouds, once they fuck off, it's a great day!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virago View Post
    The original post was completely unintelligable - no self-respecting political organisation would ever admit responsibility.
    So Greens then...

    Voltaire said it best - that the best form of govt was a democracy, tempered by assassination

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    Quote Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket View Post
    I thought we were talking about breakfast food? I've never tried raisins on my toast before. However I think that they may have been in my hot x buns yesterday....
    grins, they sneak stuff in so be carefull from now on

    pedro

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    Quote Originally Posted by freedom-wedge View Post

    My interests are personal freedoms and the slow and steady removal of liberty and that only. I dont even know where your comming from oscar, and yeah I got nothin you would be interested in hearing.

    Pedro in the naki with a small one
    The only freedom you appear to be interested in is the right to blather.
    You talk in orotundities and have yet to actually post one fact.

    Which freedoms have you lost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    The only freedom you appear to be interested in is the right to blather.
    You talk in orotundities and have yet to actually post one fact.

    Which freedoms have you lost?
    the right of free speach you mean by blather, well yes, and for the rest youve missed the point entirly, you know whats going on in this country or your heads where the sun dosnt shine or worse your a reformist yourself,

    do some reaserch on the loss of liberty in this country

    Pedro

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    Quote Originally Posted by freedom-wedge View Post
    the right of free speach you mean by blather, well yes, and for the rest youve missed the point entirly, you know whats going on in this country or your heads where the sun dosnt shine or worse your a reformist yourself,

    do some reaserch on the loss of liberty in this country

    Pedro
    No, by blather I mean your generalised and unsupported comments, coupled with a singular failure to get to anything resembling a point.

    What part of free speech is under threat, for example?


    Notwithstanding that, why should I research anything? It's your thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freedom-wedge View Post
    the culture of untruth starts at the top, and manifests its self everywhere below.

    Yeah free scot watson, what a travesty of justice,

    Pedro
    Nice tinfoil hat you have there. Did you get it at Hallensteins? You can put "Free Scott Watson" as your sig. if you like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Virago View Post
    The original post was completely unintelligable - no self-respecting political organisation would ever admit responsibility.
    Definately green party then.
    Quote Originally Posted by freedom-wedge View Post
    some reaserch
    OK. Possible university student if the spelling is this good...
    TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by freedom-wedge View Post
    the right of free speach you mean by blather, well yes, and for the rest youve missed the point entirly, you know whats going on in this country or your heads where the sun dosnt shine or worse your a reformist yourself,

    do some reaserch on the loss of liberty in this country

    Pedro
    I'll do it for them.

    CRIMESTOPPERS. An organization run by Key’s mate Lord Ashcroft that allows Kiwis to make any kind of criminal allegation against anybody at all...........anonymously. This allegation is stored overseas out of reach of the NZ legal system.............and can not be accessed by the accused by any legal means at all. The information is passed on to the NZ Police who check the 'integrity' of the information. The Police have no idea who made it or whether it is fact until it has been checked.


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    Free Scott Watson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyryder View Post
    I'll do it for them.

    CRIMESTOPPERS. An organization run by Key’s mate Lord Ashcroft that allows Kiwis to make any kind of criminal allegation against anybody at all...........anonymously. This allegation is stored overseas out of reach of the NZ legal system.............and can not be accessed by the accused by any legal means at all. The information is passed on to the NZ Police who check the 'integrity' of the information. The Police have no idea who made it or whether it is fact until it has been checked.


    Skyryder
    So what?
    If the Police don't act on it until they've checked it, what's the problem?
    Notwithstanding that, if it's stored in the UK, it's within reach of their legal system (the UK has liable and slander laws, too).
    And if they had some info. (say someone had some knowledge that could free Scott Watson) what you say if they ignored it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    No, by blather I mean your generalised and unsupported comments, coupled with a singular failure to get to anything resembling a point.

    What part of free speech is under threat, for example?


    Notwithstanding that, why should I research anything? It's your thread.
    Suppression of testimony within the court system is one area, witnesses vital to defence barred from talking to the jury, its then becomes a total gag where terms of imprisonment are available for contempt should you continue, its happening all the time, we dont get to hear about it at all unless you happen to be sitting in court, it happend At Scott Watsons trial and many others where a fully informed jury might have come to a different conclusion. The attempt to remove juries for offences with a maximum of three years, will just make this process easier, you will not have the right to speak freely in your own defence in certain courts where a huge ego,s resides. There are many area of concern and they are complex and are creeping slowly into normalisation. Its obvious to me and I said earleir I have nothing that you would want to hear anyway.

    Pedro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    So what?
    If the Police don't act on it until they've checked it, what's the problem?
    Notwithstanding that, if it's stored in the UK, it's within reach of their legal system (the UK has liable and slander laws, too).
    And if they had some info. (say someone had some knowledge that could free Scott Watson) what you say if they ignored it?
    sadly in this country that sort of information might not make it to relevent ears anyway, the crime line is open to abuse by all parties as well as being of good use in curtailing crime, the abuse however will outweigh its correct use I feel, time will tell, even then very few people will be privy to its actual effect regardless and a few amongst us will of been canned for nothin at all except for standing up and being defiant in the face of ridiculous claims. The amount of hear say used in persuit of prosecution today to mask the lack of hard evidence should alarm most people.

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    Pedro, Pedro, Pedro. What are we going to do with you? You take a quote out of context and call it a lie. There's your first mistake. Then, you insist that people stubbornly cling to one path, even when that path is shown to be incorrect. Are you that stupid? Would you personally, blindly follow one path when you know it is wrong and will end in a disaster?

    If you would, this conversation cannot go anywhere.

    But if you would not, why do you think a government should?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    You are a deaf bugger.
    He said he wouldn't raise GST to finance the increased fiscal deficit caused by the recession.
    It was an answer to a specific question that has been removed from the sound bite..
    I wont speed to get to my daughters wedding, is snapped at 110kph , I thought you said you wouldnt speed ?, I said I wouldnt speed to my daughters wedding, I,m on my way to the stock exchange. just clever stuff.

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    In fact, thinking about this. Pedro, you are calling a man a liar by misrepresenting what he has said. Doesn't that make you a big fat liar too? I think it does.

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    Sultana's anyone?
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