"Bold steps" by the g'ment - changes announced at 2pm today

[mashman]

Sometimes it happens elsewhere (depends entirely to the context of the country - Chinese LOVE their bosses, and hate them). The problem with New Zealand is its double standards. We seem adament that YOU MUST GO TO UNIVERSITY......yet we hammer the shit out of them at the other end. You are considered "not part of the team" if you try to climb the ranks. Which is why most of us get stuck in the middle ground. The top will try and push us down, the bottom dont like you climbing.
I frequently do all the work to prove my worth in a company, to prove I am skilled enough to the job above me - but then you enter the "title game" where they hold you rank ransom - reapply for the job you already doing etc
In the meantime the guys at the level you are working with wil treat you as a traitor. 1 year later after you have made no progress you move on.
Employee turnover in NZ is shocking. There is almost no incetives to keep an employee and allow them to climb.
Once during an infuriating interview with a firm, the engineering manager asked me a question - I don't know what he wanted me to answer so I told the solid truth.
"Where do you see youself in 5 years time?" to which I answered "In your job".......turned out that company wanted a blind drone, so I told them honestly that I had asperations above what they wanted to give.
About 50% of the companies in NZ are like this.....all due the double standards of the employees.

I believe they call them, entrenched management. And they'll do most anything to not let go... funny what money does to people...

[avgas]

I believe they call them, entrenched management. And they'll do most anything to not let go... funny what money does to people...

Sad but true. However NZ is a little bit different. While the management is entrenched, the workers are determined to only treat them as the bad guy. Seems the buck shifts up instead of down. Y'see its easier to hack a tall poppy at its roots. Kills it faster.

[Brian d marge]

yup , id agree with that ...demo

Fuck I love work

Next time youse fellas bikes breaks down in the middle of friggen no where
It's me !!!
And the friggen reprobates I work with
The secretary is lying on the sofa emailing her friends
we have got the music cranked up
I've polished off a fair amount of laughing frog ( whiskey ) Hiroshi next to me has become a Zen master I am in the bog emailing kiwi biker
Today I was looking at Airbox , tip number1 airbox わ.....いらんない
I'm Rick James beeches ,,,u motherfkers can walk

Stephen

[golfmade]

I'm trying to understand what Stephen just wrote but it's not working. I know it's not haiku that's for sure.

[avgas]

yup , id agree with that ...demo

Fuck I love work

Next time youse fellas bikes breaks down in the middle of friggen no where
It's me !!!
And the friggen reprobates I work with
The secretary is lying on the sofa emailing her friends
we have got the music cranked up
I've polished off a fair amount of laughing frog ( whiskey ) Hiroshi next to me has become a Zen master I am in the bog emailing kiwi biker
Today I was looking at Airbox , tip number1 airbox わ.....いらんない
I'm Rick James beeches ,,,u motherfkers can walk

Stephen

Haha nice one.
I miss drinking in Tokyo - exactly what music have you got cranked up?

[Brian d marge]

FLOYD OF COURSE

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

it cant even think more than 2 syllables

and it all happens again tomorrow

btw its 2 now

Stephen

[mashman]

Sad but true. However NZ is a little bit different. While the management is entrenched, the workers are determined to only treat them as the bad guy. Seems the buck shifts up instead of down. Y'see its easier to hack a tall poppy at its roots. Kills it faster.

I doubt NZ is that different to the rest of the world. Workers around the world are all the same. We just want what we think we're worth, irrespective of how much we're actually worth in terms of how the business values our contribution... which is generally, the main role of your manager... validating your worth... Accountability does indeed flow up, but if you hit entrenched management... well that's where the employees story ends... Entrenched managers must have something to offer the organisation (after all they are entrenched with the blessing of their superiors)... otherwise they'd be replaced. Simple really. How do you protect your lifestyle... you protect your job! How do you protect your job... BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!! passing the buck upwards ha ha ha, great until it bounces of the "ceiling" and comes rocketing back down... These guys are all over the world... this problem is not specific to NZ...

Heh... as for killing from the root. You're gonna need a much bigger scythe than you think...

[wbks]

Actually, can someone who's lived overseas comment on this:

In NZ, there seems to be a "tall poppy syndrome" - those who own or run the successful businesses and get paid accordingly seem to be hated and must be taxed till they bleed.

Is this a uniquely NZ thing or does this happen elsewhere??

Taking from those who can afford it, to give to those who need it. Pretty simple philosophy that has a few names... Clue: "Tall poppy syndrome" isn't one of them.

[Pascal]

Lol, throw the socialist word around like it's a bad thing

It is a bad thing. Theft from hard working people, disguised as enforced charity with a strong authoritarian / control streak? You don't think that is bad? Fuck man.

[Pascal]

is because they have a better chance of earning a living wage than back home. The median income for wage and salary earners in NZ is $729 a week - $37,908 a year! How the hell do you bring up a family on that

Thank Socialism for that. We've seen people punished through punitive taxes for trying to earn more over the last 9 years. We've seen Labour increase welfare to such a degree that almost anyone earning under $60,000 receives some form of state assistance! Socialism has taught New Zealanders that the government will take care of them, that only the government CAN take care of them.

[davereid]

Taking from those who can afford it, to give to those who need it. Pretty simple philosophy that has a few names... Clue: "Tall poppy syndrome" isn't one of them.

The word you are looking for is theft.

Main Entry: theft
Pronunciation: \ˈtheft\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English thiefthe, from Old English thīefth; akin to Old English thēof thief
Date: before 12th century

1 a : the act of stealing; specifically : the taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it
b :the taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent

[wbks]

Lets see how anti-left you are when you or one of your family gets a serious illness or injury... No expensive health insurance? Better be ready to pay a pretty penny 'less you want them to put you out on the street. Simple fact is: There is a reason that people are happier in certain European countries, and the reason people can't cope with socialism in the rest of the world is because they can't cope with the idea of giving their precious money (therefor expensive cars/property) away for the sake of a better country and fundamentals. Because the bastion point of capitalism (USA) is such a great fucking place for the hundreds of thousands if not millions who can't afford to browse the internet on their expensive computers and spout how great the more pure capitalism is. All capitalist countries have an influence of socialism in them, I just think it's good that NZ has a stronger influence. I guess it's like kiwis to complain about people losing their social conscience and then get all pissed if they have to live by a system which is exactly that, because it involves sacrifice

[wbks]

It is a bad thing. Theft from hard working people, disguised as enforced charity with a strong authoritarian / control streak? You don't think that is bad? Fuck man.

Theft is a big draw from contribution, and as for the strong authoritrian/control streak... We're in NZ, not Soviet Russia circa 1937

[Mully]

Taking from those who can afford it, to give to those who need it. Pretty simple philosophy that has a few names... Clue: "Tall poppy syndrome" isn't one of them.

Those who need it I don't object to. Those who view welfare (particularly the DPB) as a "career" I object to.

But I wasn't talking about tax in particular. I accept that (as a rule) you have to pay tax as being a part of society (unless you can avoid it) - I mean the opinion that anyone who has money (especially those who have earnt their money) are bastards who everyone else should hate.