Could not believe our ears!

**98tls** · 15th February 2010, 12:06

In a few years it will be "i dont care if you dont want to shag me your doing it" blah blah blah.Government better buy up a heap of containers,when the "unsmackable" generation get to 16 or so they will be needing them.

**Brownbikerbabe** · 15th February 2010, 12:32

I remember the good ol' days when strangers were allowed to smack you on the back of the head or give you verbal tongue lashing if you were doing something wrong!

**Patrick** · 15th February 2010, 12:40

Originally Posted by Winston001

....Saying about a meal "I don't like this shit" doesn't tell us anything.

It does tell one something. They should have gone for the chicken instead. Or the salad....

Originally Posted by 98tls

Government better buy up a heap of containers,when the "unsmackable" generation get to 16 or so they will be needing them.

Sad, but sooooo true. Things are gonna get worse.

Originally Posted by Brownbabe

I remember the good ol' days when strangers were allowed to smack you on the back of the head or give you verbal tongue lashing if you were doing something wrong!

And the old cop could give your arse a boot, then your dad gave you another.... Long gone nowadays...........

**mashman** · 15th February 2010, 12:48

Originally Posted by Winston001

But it isn't just words. We communicate with each other using language. The particular words we choose are important and convey different meanings. Profane swear words are perfectly valid and exist to emphasise an experience or thought. However for them to retain effect, they are used sparingly so they have a shock value.

Saying about a meal "I don't like this shit" doesn't tell us anything. Its a shock word but empty of meaning. Sadly many people don't have descriptive words in their minds so they go for "shit". I abhor this.

Profanity is also violent language. It is used to put other people down, to be insulting. As such it should only be used when necessary.

And i agree, pretty much completely. But... take nigger for example... depending on which context you use it in, depending on to whom you are communicating (their race, generatio, etc..., depending on how the word is heard... it's the person who's listening to the profanity that translates its meaning and wether or not they take offence to it... it's very intolerant and ignorant of someone to just assume that because a 4 letter has been used, that they are incapable of rational thought, let alone being able to wipe their own arse... their whole character being judged by the language they use...

If you ignore the use of the bad language, it loses much of its power... I'm not advocating it, i'm just hypothesising that if all sensitive words are ignored when uttered, they may well lose most of their "stirring" power...

"Profanity is also violent language" is just wrong. Oh fuck i've left the oven on. Hardly violent. Come here as i'm about to shove my foot where the sun doesn't shine. Hardly violent WTF!!!! I don't really follow your logic on that one...

**Genie** · 15th February 2010, 12:56

wow, some of the stuff I've just read about what some of you have witnessed, truely saddens me. These poor children, I'm thinking some parents need a damn good clipping around the ears!!!!

I can be bad at certain times when I say of for f's sake, but never would I be little my children and speak to them like they are shit.

We (parents) bought these children into the world and it's up to us to take that responisiblity seriously and do our utmost to raise our children to be functioning adults, what is being raised out there really scares me and my 'nice, polite and caring' children are growing up with these poor young things. I just hope that the niceness of my offspring rubs off onto others and not the other way round. In fact, I think it just will!

**yungatart** · 15th February 2010, 14:52

Ya think that's bad?? Wait till the little perps get to High School......its the schools I feel sorry for.

**crazyhorse** · 15th February 2010, 14:55

Bring back the bash

Disgusting, isn't it! Very sad. He will probably be behind bars as a juvenile, with that kind of upbringing

**ckai** · 15th February 2010, 15:43

Originally Posted by nudemetalz

Sheez,..when I was young, if I said even "bloody" then I got belted hard so I knew not to do it and have respect around my parents. This kid had none whatsoever. Obviously what he's used to hearing around the so-called household....

Originally Posted by Ronin

Well yeah, they are just words and it is easy or easier to think I should just ignore them. My 11 year old boy has a bit of a potty mouth (takes after his Mum) and while he may swear I make the effort to at least teach him when it is appropriate and not. For instance if he tried the above example then Sue Bradford would have me in jail.

It's about respect, me for him and he for those around him.

Respect is totally what the problem is. But unfortunately it's not just the young 'uns that lack it. You just need to look at the roads to see that "everyone" doesn't give a shit about everyone else. This is of course compared to the old days when I was a lad (which wasn't nearly that long ago compared to others

) But that's another topic.

The only way to have young people respect others is from an early age. It's one of the few things that can only be taught.

Originally Posted by wild_weston

I was always taught as a kid that using swear words only showed a lack of vocabulary.

I was reading a parenting mag about this very thing. Both arguments about kids swearing. One (an english teacher) said that when she heard someone in the class say fuck, she would write about this massive sentence along the lines of "The fucker fucked up..." and told the class to tell her adjectives, nouns, verbs etc and come up with some better words. I thought that was quite a cool idea.

My nephew I think may turn out to one of those ones that disrespect his parents. See signs of it now. I hope he doesn't and I hope they sort out his issues in time. He's already a bit of a handful for my sister and they clearly have a favourite with their second kid.

**golfmade** · 15th February 2010, 15:50

Just wait outside any Walmart in the States (or heck anywhere really) you'll see all types.

I'm only 28 but I can remember getting the paddle at my daycare for saying 'damn'.

Heck my mum would smack me upside the head for saying something like "Me and Bob...." although thinking back on it I'm glad she did

**slofox** · 15th February 2010, 16:14

It's not that new really...

Many years ago, back in the olden days when I was a five year old just started school, I brought a really interesting word home that I'd heard at school...so when me ma complained about the radio being too loud, I, very proudly, advised her to "turn the fuckin' thing off Mum!"

OOps...errr...ahh..well...you could've heard a pin drop (despite the radio still blaring). I knew bloody well something was astray by the look on me ma's face...and the fact that the entire world went into freeze-frame.

"What. Did. You. Say?" she asked, just like that - I could hear the fullstops and bold capital letters...

I replied "Turn the fuckin thing offffff?......." - it was like walking over eggshells - somehow I knew for sure that I was in deeeeeep shit...

She said nothing - at least I heard nothing until I had picked my head up off the floor over the other side of the room and stuck it back on me shoulders...She rang the school, belted me up again, demanded to know who had said it (like I'd remember which of every kid in school I'd heard it from - everyone said it 'cept me). I just named some random kid and she rang the parents and let them have it too...

Turned out me ma didn't like that word...still remember that hiding. These days she'd do time for assaulting her kid...So I stopped saying "fuckin'" for a couple of years - until I hit high school anyway. And even then, never in front of me ma...

**Winston001** · 15th February 2010, 19:05

Originally Posted by mashman

And i agree, pretty much completely. But... take nigger for example... depending on which context you use it in, depending on to whom you are communicating (their race, generation, etc..., depending on how the word is heard... it's the person who's listening to the profanity that translates its meaning and whether or not they take offence to it...

Mmmm......my father's generation didn't see anything wrong with that word either. But I know what you mean - context is everything.

"Profanity is also violent language" is just wrong. Oh fuck i've left the oven on. Hardly violent. Come here as i'm about to shove my foot where the sun doesn't shine. Hardly violent WTF!!!! I don't really follow your logic on that one...

Ok, profanity is often used as a precursor to assault. Just as you propose above.

That is violent. But more subtly, swear words have a power of their own and their use when aimed at children or the wife is frightening. FYI one of the basis for a Protection Order is violent language. There doesn't need to be an assault. I can recall a lady who was never "deliberately" hit by her boyfriend but she was terrified for herself and her son because of the threats and violent language. Order obtained.