NZ a country without alcohol soon? Nooooooo

**mister.koz** · 19th February 2010, 07:23

Originally Posted by freedom-wedge

the people being detained and searched will care, theres a big difference between class a drugs and a can of tui, I see theres a problem and I,m behind getting it sorted but these sort of solutions can be, using the powers already in place. Nothing good will come of empowerment when the entity has sole digression to use or not to use that legislation, even your good self might react to being stopped and asked if they can search your car for alcohol, you might react negatively to a particular line of questioning on the side of the road, the situation becomes enflamed and then there are many scenarios that might be played out. Its all hypathetical I know but people need to think about implications of actions and reaction.

pedro

Good point, I guess am just over the drinking culture and the tollerance of it which, sustains the culture itself. Many defend their actions by asking for liberty when their very actions inhibit other's liberty.

**Mully** · 19th February 2010, 07:43

Meh - ban it.

I'll make my fortune in bootlegging.

**The Everlasting** · 19th February 2010, 07:46

Originally Posted by Mully

Meh - ban it.

I'll make my fortune in bootlegging.

Hahaha,you got some Moonshine? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa!!

**davereid** · 19th February 2010, 07:49

Originally Posted by mister.koz

I see how thats a bit of a concern but realistically who cares? If you don't have anything illegal in your car then why would it be a bother.

Generally, the only people who say this have already said "It wont affect me", so they are relaxed about (someone else) losing a few "minor" rights.

Why don't we extend this concept to your home ? I mean, if you don't have anything illegal why would it be a bother. ?

My postman comes here every day, and spends 15-20 seconds at my gate.
Thats almost 1.5 hours a year.

Why dont we just hire one or two "Random Searchers" for each postman we have.
Every year, thats enough manpower to search your house, for 3 hours !.

We could check your building permits, car regos and wofs.
Take serial numbers of all your electronic equipment so we have a record if its gets stolen.
We could take a ghost of your computer, and install our external access software so we can watch you.
We would look for illegal guns, drugs, and unregistered dogs.

The world would be a better place, you would be safer, and only a criminal could have anything to fear. !

**Mully** · 19th February 2010, 08:05

Originally Posted by The Everlasting

Hahaha,you got some Moonshine? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa!!

Zeke, fetch ma gun - we's a-going hunting for some city folk.

Just need to get myself an orange Charger with a Confederate flag on the roof.

**mister.koz** · 19th February 2010, 08:11

Originally Posted by davereid

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The world would be a better place, you would be safer, and only a criminal could have anything to fear. !

All that bollochs is a very long way from stopping people getting pissed-up in public places.

Using that logic, why have breath testing at all, it is afterall encroaching on civil liberties, people should be allowed to drink when and where they want.

**rachprice** · 19th February 2010, 08:15

There is already a central city liquor ban......so all the drunkards out on Courtenay Pl are still going to be there because they drink in the pubs!
I understand they are trying to ban it from places like Newtown where it is a huge problem, maybe they could just do a ban similar to the central city one, in the township.

It is going to affect those who are just having a quiet beer or wine with a BBQ or picnic!
The people that are causing the problems probably aren't likely to change anyway!!

Just on the alcohol causes injuries/A&E etc. people will still drink way to much whether its in public or their homes, I agree we need to change NZ's attitudes to our drinking culture but this isn't the way to do it!

**davereid** · 19th February 2010, 08:21

Originally Posted by mister.koz

Using that logic, why have breath testing at all, it is after all encroaching on civil liberties, people should be allowed to drink when and where they want.

Drink driving is a killer.
But most kiwis can sit in the park, with a bottle of summer ale and bacon-egg pie without killing.

**Genestho** · 19th February 2010, 08:29

It's not the sole way to do it - no, but it is in conjunction with a myriad of other strategies, which are suggested in the NAAP.
How would you suggest reducing alcohol related harm, deaths and costs? More than one bullet will need to do it eh?

**freedom-wedge** · 19th February 2010, 08:44

also a good point

pedro

**freedom-wedge** · 19th February 2010, 08:47

Originally Posted by Mully

Zeke, fetch ma gun - we's a-going hunting for some city folk.

Just need to get myself an orange Charger with a Confederate flag on the roof.

I remember one of the actual cars was sold on Trade me a while back, I think you missed your chance, plenty of stills on there though, even one with a free box of shotgun shells, and yeah I,m joking about the shells, ya all holla back ya hear

**davereid** · 19th February 2010, 08:49

Originally Posted by T.G.W

It's not the sole way to do it - no, but it is in conjunction with a myriad of other strategies, which are suggested in the NAAP.
How would you suggest reducing alcohol related harm, deaths and costs? More than one bullet will need to do it eh?

It will certainly reduce alcohol abuse in public places by the poor. Those with money will be safely pissed, 5 feet away in the garden bar.

The law appears to extend onto private property, so having a beer in the grassed area at work on a Friday will be out. (If its not, the poor will be able to go there as its privately owned.)

Everyone will enjoy the ability of the police to search their picnic basket in case there a can of tui in there.

The police already have the power to arrest troublesome drunks. I can't see that untroublesome drunks are trouble so bad we need to dump the bill of rights just yet.

**BoristheBiter** · 19th February 2010, 09:15

Originally Posted by davereid

It will certainly reduce alcohol abuse in public places by the poor. Those with money will be safely pissed, 5 feet away in the garden bar.

The law appears to extend onto private property, so having a beer in the grassed area at work on a Friday will be out. (If its not, the poor will be able to go there as its privately owned.)

Everyone will enjoy the ability of the police to search their picnic basket in case there a can of tui in there.

The police already have the power to arrest troublesome drunks. I can't see that untroublesome drunks are trouble so bad we need to dump the bill of rights just yet.

Calling all bush lawyers................Calling all bush laywers, start talk shit, start making shit up, talk more shit make more shit up and so on for 10 more pages.

The ban is drinking in a public place nothing else.
yes it will stop people drinking while having a picnic or a day at the beach. it will also stop them getting into cars/bikes and driving.
If you need to have a drink.................................oh i'm just not going to go there.

its about time this law came in all over NZ

**avgas** · 19th February 2010, 09:18

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Vodka Watermellon
Bring on the ban
Nothing like sneaking alcohol

**mister.koz** · 19th February 2010, 09:19

Originally Posted by rachprice

There is already a central city liquor ban......so all the drunkards out on Courtenay Pl are still going to be there because they drink in the pubs!
I understand they are trying to ban it from places like Newtown where it is a huge problem, maybe they could just do a ban similar to the central city one, in the township.

It is going to affect those who are just having a quiet beer or wine with a BBQ or picnic!
The people that are causing the problems probably aren't likely to change anyway!!

Just on the alcohol causes injuries/A&E etc. people will still drink way to much whether its in public or their homes, I agree we need to change NZ's attitudes to our drinking culture but this isn't the way to do it!

Very good points

how do you change that culture though, i understand that legislation wont fix much, its just paints a thin coat over the top and annoys people who aren't contributing to the problem.

Some would argue that if we aren't working towards solving the problem then we are responsible for it, i've never liked that idea because it puts blame on people who haven't done anything. I guess thats similar to putting a law that pastes everyone...

hmmm its a tricky subject really.

Originally Posted by davereid

Drink driving is a killer.
But most kiwis can sit in the park, with a bottle of summer ale and bacon-egg pie without killing.

I was making a point that this isn't drastic, drink driving is a killer!