Mining and Labour trying to fuck it

[Quasievil]

No, I'm not. Care to answer the question, or are you going to do a Tank and avoid that?

Sorry what was the question ?

[MisterD]

Framed in somewhat different terms, and amongst a whole bunch of other things, yes.

For clarity, I'm pretty sure the answer isn't "Rogernomics 2", btw. Or anything like it.

Yeah, and telling the mining companies that they can have a bit more detailed look at a tiny fraction of scheduled land before giving the government a proposal on how they might be able to mine it is hardly armaggeddon is it?

We don't need "Rogernomics 2", but we shouldn't doom this country to being a backwater green theme park...FFS if actual green-ness was really an issue to your average tourist they wouldn't get on a jumbojet to come here. A couple of mines won't make Milford Sound any less spectacular, Bungee jumping in Queenstown any less exciting or Marlborough Sauvignon any less fantastic.

That, is the point.

[MisterD]

Key comes up with the royalties on this mining is only 1%.

...and the GST on all the expenditure, the PAYE on the wages from the jobs created, the tax on the profits....the government clips the ticket at every step.

[avgas]

Ok, I am speaking here as a person who moved into a mining town knowing nothing about it and have ended up with a job that entails taking people around the current mining operations that Newmont has in Waihi. Yes they have a huge Hole in the middle of town but this is not the future of mining in NZ. There are restrictions of noise, dust and Vibrations in place that are hard to work under and its not the practical way these days. Favona which the current under ground mine in waihi is based in the base of Gladstone Hill which is in waihi. the portal is 5 x 5 and you would never know it existed if you had not heard about it or seen it when on the mine site. Current underground mining doesn't leave open shafts and voids in the land as they take all the waste rock ( rock that contans no gold or silver in this case) back under to back fill which means there is no need to have mass waste rock embankments . Newmont are very open to the public and the media have done the whole scaring people thing by showing shots of martha mine ( the huge open pit) when ever mining is mentioned. This is because it is easily accessable and close to Auckland and is dramatic ...

As for the toxic tailings well I urge you to come on a tour and actually see what is at the top of the tailings embankment here....There are birds and the first inland breeding area for the NZ dotterel. You could drink the water ( full of duck shit)... come see what modern mining is about before you dismiss the idea it is not about fucking our land thats for sure....

Sach I like you, and don't feel for a moment that I am bashing the mining companies or their employees. Fact of the matter is that I grew up around various mining sites - So I have full respect for all who deal with underground mining. In fact if it wasn't for the strong employment rates and GOOD employment that the mines offer I would be against it.
But sadly I would have to say you have bought the company ticket (which is fine, we all do it). But not all that glitters is gold.
Currently under Waihi are Tomo's the size of small mountains, which thanks to dewatering have caused the ground to be unstable. This is why you have a nice fenced off section of the town. I only feel bitter about this as I loved Waihi as the little town it is, and I fear than when Newmont pull out - the town will slowly die.
As for the fucking the land, I do agree with you - it is not fucking the land. It is just a small slip. However we only need a few thousand small slips and we are in the same boat as rest of the world. Unfortunately for us we are fucking ourselves on so many other areas - I fear mining might be our last stand for something.
What next - dredging sand (silica) from waihi beach? long netting off coro coast? Hell I hear the Japanese need whale meat - we have a fucking smorgasbord in Kaikoura.
It only takes baby steps to fall down a set of stairs. I personally would rather be fucked financially now than have my kids live with a tainted history.

[Okey Dokey]

I'm afraid that NZ will be fucked financially and all the kids will leave as they won't feel that living here is an option.

[rainman]

Sorry what was the question ?

Sigh. I must be bored.

Are you happy, Mr Quasi, Mr Brownlee to blatantly lie to you regarding the value of minerals that this exercise is based on, or do you expect a basic level of competence from your politicians?

ONE News discovered the true value is less than third of the billions Brownlee has been claiming, could be mined from the Hauraki Gulf island.
...
"Look I think &the numbers are always going to be all over the show until you get something out of the ground, you simply don't know what the story is," Brownlee says.

Sounds compelling, huh? I've written heaps of business cases, and getting fundamental benefit value wrong by 2/3 would earn me an arse-kicking of proportions - as it should. If I tried a line like the quote above at a governance meeting I'd be sent away to do much more work - as I should. If I did it more than once I would not expect continued employment, let alone bludging at the level of a ministerial pay packet. FFS, he could at least try to do the job - counldn't even get his shit together enough to manage house process the other day.

Then again, judging by the rigour applied to the supercity costs and benefits, this is par for the course. So much for the Nats and their much-touted business literacy.

Are you going to hold your beloved Nats to account for this, or are you just another hypocrite?

[Tank]

or are you going to do a Tank and avoid that?

Its not that im avoiding answering your question - its just that I have decised that you and skyryder are so far gone that there is no point in replying to your biased, poorly thought-out, rantings.

You and your comrades can moan all you want - but the people have spoken at the last election and the polls reflect that people are sick of the leftie shit. Long may they stay in opposition - because it looks like they might be there for a long, long time. (pfft - and they cant even do that well).

[Tank]

Speaking of mining.



Goff likes it so much - he opened his office right next door.

I wonder if he even knew it was there?

[Quasievil]

Sigh. I must be bored.

Are you happy, Mr Quasi, Mr Brownlee to blatantly lie to you regarding the value of minerals that this exercise is based on, or do you expect a basic level of competence from your politicians?

Was it a lie or a clarification..........dunno not that interested in semantics, more interested in NZ being a prosperous country using resources at its disposal, without compromising our enviroment to a degree where it would be an issue.
Thats all I care about.

[MisterD]

Are you happy, Mr Quasi, Mr Brownlee to blatantly lie to you regarding the value of minerals that this exercise is based on, or do you expect a basic level of competence from your politicians?

Given that "this exercise" is about granting licences to allow mining companies to survey areas and come up with an accurate number rather than the wild guesstimates we have at the moment...I fail to see how it really matters.

A consultation process is under way, nobody's starting any bulldozers.

[Quasievil]

nobody's starting any bulldozers.

Stink I thought it would have been funny seeing Mr Rainman tied to the front of the Bulldozer screaming NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[rainman]

Its not that im avoiding answering your question - its just that I have decised that you and skyryder are so far gone that there is no point in replying to your biased, poorly thought-out, rantings.

Yeah, 'cos ad hom is so much easier than actually explaining where the fucking jobs are going to come from. Weak.

What you and your ilk might fail to apprehend is that my political views are far from ideological. I have lots in common with the greens, true, which you likely would balk at (or maybe I just see what the greens could be), but I also have a lot in common with what ACT should be (and isn't, by a country mile), and what Labour should be (and isn't either). What I have no time for is stupid, populist, short-sighted, incompetent, undemocratic, ideological arses like the fools we have in Wellington at the moment. And I do feel that if I'm paying the fuckers hundreds of thousands every year they could at least pretend to do a decent job of earning it.

I'm not a die-hard Labourite, but they are the lesser of two evils at the moment. A second term of this bunch would screw this country up beyond repair.

Was it a lie or a clarification..........dunno not that interested in semantics, more interested in NZ being a prosperous country using resources at its disposal, without compromising our enviroment to a degree where it would be an issue.
Thats all I care about.

A hypocrite, then.

[Quasievil]

A hypocrite, then.

What ever youre comfortable with mate, you decide.

[Swoop]

A second term of this bunch would only just be starting to fix the fuckups made over the last 9 years of labour's incompetence.

Fixed your post for ya!

[mashman]

Fixed your post for ya!

Yeah, whew, for a moment there I thought there were hundreds of years worth of govt mistakes... glad it was only 9... at least there's a political party that doesn't fuckup and is completely on the ball somewhere... we can relax now...