It's official - there are some heinous drivers out there

[bogan]

But who is to provide that training? AA ? I wouldn't let an AA trained rider within 50 foot of a bike. Riding schools. Most are OK for basic training , to pass the full license. Which is not a very exciting standard And about as much use as the AA after that. Mr Katman ? He claims to be the universal expert. I think that would totally destroy motorcycling. If only because no other motorcyclist would ever meet his (self proclaimed) standard of total personal perfection.

My observation is that most "motorcycle trainers" tend to follow the Ulysses model. Ride slowly in the middle of the lane and pretend to be a two wheeled car. The only ones I would have any faith in , or be willing to follow myself would be the Police riding trainers. And that won't ever happen.

I think there is too much faith placed in the complacent phrase "training". There is nothing really teaches roadcraft and survivability other than hours in the saddle. In all road contexts. Night, heavy traffic (how are you going to train riders to deal with heavy , Auckland type traffic, if they live in Westport? ) , open road . You can't go on a X hour course to get all that.

"Training" is a nice phrase, but real training takes years.

but perhaps any sort of training would also change the attitudes, having to work to get a license may make some thing perhaps this is some serious shit and I should pay more attention.

[Katman]

Mr Katman ? He claims to be the universal expert.

Care to point out where I make that claim?

Or are you just full of shit?

[MSTRS:Me]

Experienced motorcyclists will read between the lines (it's part of their hazard awareness skills)...

[BoristheBiter]

My observation is that most "motorcycle trainers" tend to follow the Ulysses model. Ride slowly in the middle of the lane and pretend to be a two wheeled car. The only ones I would have any faith in , or be willing to follow myself would be the Police riding trainers. And that won't ever happen.



"Training" is a nice phrase, but real training takes years.

If you have faith in the model why would you not follow it?
This is not a troll Ixion i would realy like to know why if you think this is the best you wouldn't do it.
It just seems a little odd.

[Flip]

But who is to provide that training? AA ? I wouldn't let an AA trained rider within 50 foot of a bike. Riding schools. Most are OK for basic training , to pass the full license. Which is not a very exciting standard And about as much use as the AA after that. Mr Katman ? He claims to be the universal expert. I think that would totally destroy motorcycling. If only because no other motorcyclist would ever meet his (self proclaimed) standard of total personal perfection.

My observation is that most "motorcycle trainers" tend to follow the Ulysses model. Ride slowly in the middle of the lane and pretend to be a two wheeled car. The only ones I would have any faith in , or be willing to follow myself would be the Police riding trainers. And that won't ever happen.

I think there is too much faith placed in the complacent phrase "training". There is nothing really teaches roadcraft and survivability other than hours in the saddle. In all road contexts. Night, heavy traffic (how are you going to train riders to deal with heavy , Auckland type traffic, if they live in Westport? ) , open road . You can't go on a X hour course to get all that.

"Training" is a nice phrase, but real training takes years.

Training is only the start of motorcycle wisdom and it does take decades to gain these skills. Teach, practice and review at the appropriate say beginner, intermediate and advanced rider skill level would be a suitable but not perfect training frame work to use. The skills necessary to pilot a moped through Auckland traffic are completely different to those necessary to pilot a heavy laden touring bike down the west coast of the south island at high speed but they are not mutually exclusive.

I do like Andrew Templeton's Ride Safe course, it was by far the best course I have ever done, this sounds a lot like the Police course. I have just ordered the Police Roadcraft book from the UK and are looking forward to reading it.

You forget there is also the BRONZ way, criticize anything that anybody else does then do nothing when it all gets too hard.

[SMOKEU]

still that equates to an accident every 4mths on a generalised average amount of kms per year basis which equals BAD/Dangerous driving habits

We all used to be young and stupid, some more than others.

[FJRider]

How do you teach wisdom?

Wisdom is a little like experience ... you don't get it untill just after you need it ...

[T.W.R]

Care to point out where I make that claim?

Or are you just full of shit?

Poor old skatman loosing the plot

Intelectual genius at work even the eloquence of the delightful rep for post #42

2nd June 2010 12:04
Katman Thread: It's official - there...
Get fucked retard.

[bogan]

Poor old skatman loosing the plot

pffft, thats not losing the plot, thats his SOP

[Elysium]

Gotta love the Gorge. Can't think of any manawatu rider who hasn't crossed the centre line while riding(racing) the gorge, including me There're some parts of the gorge where passing is safe as you can see quite far ahead of you on some corners, but of course it's easy on a bike unlike a car.

My gripe is with trucks that to me are far too big and long to be using the gorge as I've had to avoid a few trucking comming onto my side of the road from around blind corners.

[T.W.R]

pffft, thats not losing the plot, thats his SOP

The tone of his rep was either an admission that he's an empty vessel or he hasn't got the balls to actually take his cynical ramblings out into the public arena and put his money where his mouth is.
If he's so devout about what HE believes is the right & only way to approach motorcycling he should step upto the mark and do something solid towards his beliefs and put it in the public's eye.
After a few decades of motorcycling you see people like him come & go, and generally they do as much damage as good.
Around here on KB he's like the party drunk that ridicules many yet preaches sanctimoniously about making motorcycling stronger.
Put the sqeeze on someone like that they'll usually show their true colours eventually.......just like his wee slip-up rep

[Katman]

just like his wee slip-up rep

You reckon that was a slip-up?

You're obviously more retarded than I thought.

[Punchy]

Please, if you are going to keep throwing the word 'intellectual' around, at least spell it right. Irony is delicious.

And I pass people that do 40km/h in the Gorge. You don't explode and burst into flame the second you cross the yellow lines, but rest assured I ensure there is enough time and space to make it safely.

[T.W.R]

You reckon that was a slip-up?

You're obviously more retarded than I thought.

Keep it coming and show your true colours muppet

[Flip]

Please, if you are going to keep throwing the word 'intellectual' around, at least spell it right. Irony is delicious.

And I pass people that do 40km/h in the Gorge. You don't explode and burst into flame the second you cross the yellow lines, but rest assured I ensure there is enough time and space to make it safely.

You don't?

My fav is "accommodation" see how many hotels and motels get it wrong on signs.