Pre89 Senior YSS Suspension FZR1000, Vic R1

[GSVR]

AS I said in a previous post just ignore robert hes a nob

As all the insiders know the Olhins shocks may cost alot of gold but are actually not made of gold but are actually just gold anodised aluminium.

Heres hoping for a good year for Honda next Nats!
You riding at the Woodville motocross ?

[PeeJay]

So you assert that YSS is NOT as good as Öhlins?

I have not seen any personal attacks written by Robert against any person associated with YSS, rather I hear others make comments regarding certain peoples credibility...... (what's this F16 bullshit, it makes this guy sound like a fruit loop)

I will agree though that when a "new roster" starts crowing, the old rooster gives his all, but, hey what's the harm in that?

Ironically, I am always in favour of new products on the market, as well as a champion of the underdog.

Part of me gets the feeling that alot of this current wave of sillyness is propagated by the public, rather than the traders themselves.

One thing can be sure, when the dust settles, there will be another suspension option on the market, and the customers will chose which is the best.

I just hope that, to keep prices low, SERVICE does not suffer.

I wouldnt assert it in the same way as Robert would but generally speaking I would agree that YSS isnt as good as Ohlins.
But to qualify that statement depending on use YSS can be "as good as" Ohlins
eg one of our managers bought an 883 and enjoys sunday rides. Just cruises along 100k doesnt fly around corners etc. He fitted YSS. (He chose YSS over Hagon because he said they look better)
He did look into it including Ohlins but most of the advice he had was dont spend all that money for little extra benefit compared to Hagon Ikon or YSS
Doesnt mean Ohlins wasnt the best, means in this case the extra benefits wouldn't be necessary.
The shock doesnt need fine tuning, all it has to do is be better than the stock units. Which it is.
If getting the best suspension possible was the goal then Ohlins, new wheels, Ohlins forks, a weight loss program etc would be required.
Ohlins by themselves would be like fitting a big carb to an engine. You wont get the full benefit until you do other work, exhaust, head work, cams etc. Until then it may go a bit better but essentially all it does is look good.
So in this and similar cases YSS would be as good as Ohlins. Certainly more bang for your buck, so when looked at in its entirety actually better than Ohlins.

Racing , thats a different story.
At the moment noone would be saying YSS is as good as Ohlins, but at the moment it is in Pre89 Senior.
Just one more thing, while Ohlins may be technically superior, more R&D, bigger foofoo valves,etc etc etc, suspension is only one part of a race bike and in itself doesn't win races. It helps. "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts"
In other words you could have $50,000 worth of suspension but if the rest of the bike /rider is crap you will get blitzed by someone with stock suspension. Or YSS even.
Re personal attacks Roberts posts are full of veiled references to Kerry, his lack of integrity, lack of skill, etc He doesnt actually say Kerry, just as he rarely says YSS, preferring that Asian brand and variations. All presented in a snide and dismissive way.
But thats life
cheers

[gixerracer]

As all the insiders know the Olhins shocks may cost alot of gold but are actually not made of gold but are actually just gold anodised aluminium.

Heres hoping for a good year for Honda next Nats!
You riding at the Woodville motocross ?

WTF The last time I raced at woodville was 1987????????

[SS90]

I wouldnt assert it in the same way as Robert would but generally speaking I would agree that YSS isnt as good as Ohlins.
But to qualify that statement depending on use YSS can be "as good as" Ohlins
eg one of our managers bought an 883 and enjoys sunday rides. Just cruises along 100k doesnt fly around corners etc. He fitted YSS. (He chose YSS over Hagon because he said they look better)
He did look into it including Ohlins but most of the advice he had was dont spend all that money for little extra benefit compared to Hagon Ikon or YSS
Doesnt mean Ohlins wasnt the best, means in this case the extra benefits wouldn't be necessary.
The shock doesnt need fine tuning, all it has to do is be better than the stock units. Which it is.
If getting the best suspension possible was the goal then Ohlins, new wheels, Ohlins forks, a weight loss program etc would be required.
Ohlins by themselves would be like fitting a big carb to an engine. You wont get the full benefit until you do other work, exhaust, head work, cams etc. Until then it may go a bit better but essentially all it does is look good.
So in this and similar cases YSS would be as good as Ohlins. Certainly more bang for your buck, so when looked at in its entirety actually better than Ohlins.

Racing , thats a different story.
At the moment noone would be saying YSS is as good as Ohlins, but at the moment it is in Pre89 Senior.
Just one more thing, while Ohlins may be technically superior, more R&D, bigger foofoo valves,etc etc etc, suspension is only one part of a race bike and in itself doesn't win races. It helps. "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts"
In other words you could have $50,000 worth of suspension but if the rest of the bike /rider is crap you will get blitzed by someone with stock suspension. Or YSS even.
Re personal attacks Roberts posts are full of veiled references to Kerry, his lack of integrity, lack of skill, etc He doesnt actually say Kerry, just as he rarely says YSS, preferring that Asian brand and variations. All presented in a snide and dismissive way.
But thats life
cheers

If someone who pootled along at 100 KP/H on a superbike (literally) needed an uprated suspension unit didn't have the werewithitall to simply have his (high quality) suspension unit rebuilt, then he deserves what he pays......above that.....Valid points, you win, I best jump into my F16 and fly a few missions over Iraq before the next national points meeting!

Because, you heard it here first..... the same guy who built the suspension for the 600 supersport championship winning bike is the same guy who flew covert missions in a F16 over Iraq......... (and passes GSX-R1000's on a corner, on the back wheel).........

[schrodingers cat]

Because, you heard it here first..... the same guy who built the suspension for the 600 supersport championship winning bike is the same guy who flew covert missions in a F16 over Iraq......... (and passes GSX-R1000's on a corner, on the back wheel).........

You've loaded those pictures in the wrong order. I like the imagery if they are reversed

[codgyoleracer]

Ahh well a week to go and we can take the YSS suspended FZR1000 out for another test run. Found some time this week to fit a different spring to the rear shock , and we are going to try a change to the front valving as well.
So hopefully we can move forward from where we are at currently and keep refining the set up with luck.
The extended track at Manfiled might throw us a few more curve balls as well, as the corners are quite different in design (flat) to the main general layout + theres an extra bump or two to liven things up a bit ! :-)
Glen

[Robert Taylor]

I wouldnt assert it in the same way as Robert would but generally speaking I would agree that YSS isnt as good as Ohlins.
But to qualify that statement depending on use YSS can be "as good as" Ohlins
eg one of our managers bought an 883 and enjoys sunday rides. Just cruises along 100k doesnt fly around corners etc. He fitted YSS. (He chose YSS over Hagon because he said they look better)
He did look into it including Ohlins but most of the advice he had was dont spend all that money for little extra benefit compared to Hagon Ikon or YSS
Doesnt mean Ohlins wasnt the best, means in this case the extra benefits wouldn't be necessary.
The shock doesnt need fine tuning, all it has to do is be better than the stock units. Which it is.
If getting the best suspension possible was the goal then Ohlins, new wheels, Ohlins forks, a weight loss program etc would be required.
Ohlins by themselves would be like fitting a big carb to an engine. You wont get the full benefit until you do other work, exhaust, head work, cams etc. Until then it may go a bit better but essentially all it does is look good.
So in this and similar cases YSS would be as good as Ohlins. Certainly more bang for your buck, so when looked at in its entirety actually better than Ohlins.

Racing , thats a different story.
At the moment noone would be saying YSS is as good as Ohlins, but at the moment it is in Pre89 Senior.
Just one more thing, while Ohlins may be technically superior, more R&D, bigger foofoo valves,etc etc etc, suspension is only one part of a race bike and in itself doesn't win races. It helps. "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts"
In other words you could have $50,000 worth of suspension but if the rest of the bike /rider is crap you will get blitzed by someone with stock suspension. Or YSS even.
Re personal attacks Roberts posts are full of veiled references to Kerry, his lack of integrity, lack of skill, etc He doesnt actually say Kerry, just as he rarely says YSS, preferring that Asian brand and variations. All presented in a snide and dismissive way.
But thats life
cheers

When you actually know a lot more about suspension including friction reduction to the nth degree, cleverly arranged coefficients of expansion, well tested internal valving calibration specific to each and every model and comparing things apples for apples...then please feel qualified to present a better argument.
Most of our customers are road going who for the most part ride at moderate speeds, they want great control but also with superb ride quality. The better the quality of manufacture, material choices and design, the exhaustive testing, they all contribute to that. You will get a better result with a higher end shock such as WP, Penske and that Swedish brand. My customers understand that and so will many new ones.
Checking out our new pricing they are indeed worth the few extra dollars, especially also that the residual value is very very good.
In a previous post I listed business associates, people that I trust. I f there is one thing I cant stand in dealing with anyone its BS and lies. Like the guy on Trade Me recently trying to sell a Sachs shock and blatantly passing that off as an Ohlins. We had that stopped pretty quickly.
The best youve ridden is the best you know or to put it another ( brutal ) way ignorance is bliss.

[Robert Taylor]

As all the insiders know the Olhins shocks may cost alot of gold but are actually not made of gold but are actually just gold anodised aluminium.

Heres hoping for a good year for Honda next Nats!
You riding at the Woodville motocross ?

The ''gold'' is all about the refinement, performance, quality and backup. In NZ Id have to unashamedly say that the added value is very high indeed.

[schrodingers cat]

Sigh.

You just couldn't help yourself could you?

Now I'm all confused. I guess I'll just revert to my default opinion.






Looking forward to the Rd 2 race report Glen

[GSVR]

Your starting to sound and work like a suspension tech Glen. Wonder what style of tech you will be... I reacon you'd be a RT type LOL

Good to see your saving the SV for next season. I reacon it needs more work done on it to make it competive against the 2fiddies.

[codgyoleracer]

Your starting to sound and work like a suspension tech Glen. Wonder what style of tech you will be... I reacon you'd be a RT type LOL

Good to see your saving the SV for next season. I reacon it needs more work done on it to make it competive against the 2fiddies.

If i knew half as much about suspension as either RT or KD - then that would be 3 x mores than i know now........ :-0

The SVR is having a nice holiday and she is quietly considering her options on getting covered in 2stroke oil.

[Ivan]

just a real dumb thing with those new f3 rules would that disclude yours and jason's bikes? because ofthe frames? I hope not but I was reading new rules about the bike still has to have its vin number etc stampped and I thought I hope this doesnt mean this as these rules are only suggestion I thought I would bring it up so you guys could put something forward against that so your not discluded.

[sugilite:Me]

With this thread running, I'm suprised you have time to ride! Maybe you should fit a netbook to the bikes cockpit so you can receive and impliment suspension tips from kb on the fly!
Seriously though, have fun and try not to make the opposition look too bad. (saves on tyres too hehe)

Ahh well a week to go and we can take the YSS suspended FZR1000 out for another test run. Found some time this week to fit a different spring to the rear shock , and we are going to try a change to the front valving as well.
So hopefully we can move forward from where we are at currently and keep refining the set up with luck.
The extended track at Manfiled might throw us a few more curve balls as well, as the corners are quite different in design (flat) to the main general layout + theres an extra bump or two to liven things up a bit ! :-)
Glen

[roadracingoldfart]

With this thread running, I'm suprised you have time to ride! Maybe you should fit a netbook to the bikes cockpit so you can receive and impliment suspension tips from kb on the fly!
Seriously though, have fun and try not to make the opposition look too bad. (saves on tyres too hehe)

Anthony ,....... shut up with advice and get yourself back on the track . Where the hell have you been hiding ???

Paul.

[codgyoleracer]

just a real dumb thing with those new f3 rules would that disclude yours and jason's bikes? because ofthe frames? I hope not but I was reading new rules about the bike still has to have its vin number etc stampped and I thought I hope this doesnt mean this as these rules are only suggestion I thought I would bring it up so you guys could put something forward against that so your not discluded.

Looks like that is under sect 5 and effective to the proposed 350cc prod 2 stroke rules Ivan.