250 gp bikes for f3

[satchriossi]

pre 1995 thats a cool idea:-}

Agreed, that's an interesting idea - it'd be cool if it brought some old school blades and such out; superbikes that are totally outclassed by modern stuff, but would be top competitive machinery in a pre '95 class.

Has anyone else in the world run a class like that already?

[RDjase]

What...all 6 bikes?

The pre 82 and 72 dont turn up in big numbers coz racing with Pre89 isnt that much fun,

If you get pre95 the pre89 riders will be whinging about there better suspension and brakes.

If there was separate classes I would bring my TZR or RGV and race both classes, I prefer my pre82 bike tho

[crazy man]

l think its only the upside down forks are the main diffients the engines are similer i think up to 94 not much in brakes. all suspension can be up
graded anyway.

[codgyoleracer]

Typical half-baked comment.
NZ does not have a national Formula 2 class, so how does that comment help?
The bikes that the Japanese were riding back in the days of the Pan-Pacific series (bet you thought it was some club race) were not the same as the bikes we have available to us here.
Much closer to factory bikes than production bikes.

Have a look at the laptimes and see that in all reality, against modern 600s and the best riders riding 600, there is no competition.
Against modern F3 bikes they are competitive.
But I do agree that the latest model bikes would be too fast for F3 as it stands now.
Go on, get a 250 or blag a ride on one and see how you "get things handed to you".

Mostly true Steve, however on that theory then you would obviously allow carburetted 600's (mostly pre 2000) and bikes like the Ducati 748 into the class as they were the ones that competed with GP250 machines " in the day" - and got there butts handed to them by Glen Jefferies, Haden Bool & the like aye

[RDjase]

All the new rules for all classes are on the MNZ site now

http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/Propos..._Sportbike.pdf

[nzkr1]

All the new rules for all classes are on the MNZ site now

http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/Propos..._Sportbike.pdf

You got a spare 350 YPVS engine for my KR1

[quickbuck]

The pre 82 and 72 dont turn up in big numbers coz racing with Pre89 isnt that much fun,

If you get pre95 the pre89 riders will be whinging about there better suspension and brakes.

If there was separate classes I would bring my TZR or RGV and race both classes, I prefer my pre82 bike tho

Bu&&er, I should have paitented the idea......

The way I see it is this:
Postie racing is all about looking like the period right? Now i know RDJase thinks all the plastic covered bikes look the same (He said so this time last year).
SO, what do we do?? We get all the classic style of motorcycle and chuck them in with Faired bikes. Looks a bit od a shambles, and people are scrambling through their programmes to work out who is who, and what is what, and why are sooo many different looking bikes all racing together?? Is this Clubmans?? ..... I think you get the idea.

SO, why not run Pre 82, Pre72 etc in the same class... and yes, I believe more would find their way out there if there weren't this "Plastic" bikes on the grid....
And a seperate class for Pre 95 and Pre 89.... TBH, they almost look the same...
To keep in the spirit, ZX636 Farings will still be a no go..... Sorry Neil

The Major difference started in 1996 IMHO with the GSXR750T. Then the rest followed. The Next mile stone was 2003 with the CBR600RR.... Course i'm talking Japanese here, as that is what I know.... But argubuly they lead the market anyway....

Just my 10 cents worth... Comments?

[Billy]

You got a spare 350 YPVS engine for my KR1

If you read the rules properly George,You will notice the machine must retain the original chassis,IE you can 350 your KR1engine but you cant fit an LC engine too your KR1,Talk too me about it at Manfeild,I have a template to make all the later model 250s into 350s,Done one already(RGV) and the NSRs have the Tyga 300 kits available,Although technically these are illegal as they dont retain the original cylinder,If anybodys not happy,Make a sensible well constructed submission too MNZ

[nzkr1]

If you read the rules properly George,You will notice the machine must retain the original chassis,IE you can 350 your KR1engine but you cant fit an LC engine too your KR1,Talk too me about it at Manfeild,I have a template to make all the later model 250s into 350s,Done one already(RGV) and the NSRs have the Tyga 300 kits available,Although technically these are illegal as they dont retain the original cylinder,If anybodys not happy,Make a sensible well constructed submission too MNZ

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I thought I could just restamp the engine numbers
This RGV you've already done, how much more power did it make?

[F5 Dave]

Hmm, does seem a bit odd they bother to include production 350s. Max reliable hp 70. A TZ250B (91) will do that. Be better if they allowed 410. Could slop on a CUB barrel (if aftermarket allowed).

I might be helping a friend move his 97/98? TZ out of his lounge room & down the stairs at this rate.

[Billy]

Hmm, does seem a bit odd they bother to include production 350s. Max reliable hp 70. A TZ250B (91) will do that. Be better if they allowed 410. Could slop on a CUB barrel (if aftermarket allowed).

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The rule reads "production based"and I assume is designed to make the 250 production based 250s more competitive and allow some of the guys like RD jase to run in F3 as well

[lostinflyz]

so as i see it you can have a 250 gp bike that will be more powerful than pretty well any 300 NSR/RGV you will make, and it can have a gp frame but a NSR/RGV can't??? except that your rs/tz has to run on pump fuel so itll blow up when your not winning.

thats silly.

man i hate writing letters

[quickbuck]

so as i see it you can have a 250 gp bike that will be more powerful than pretty well any 300 NSR/RGV you will make, and it can have a gp frame but a NSR/RGV can't??? except that your rs/tz has to run on pump fuel so itll blow up when your not winning.

thats silly.

man i hate writing letters

Yeah, so to sum up....
Restrictive as hell on one side of the coin... Turn it over.... and you have FULL HRC allowed if you want to burn some money...
Seems strange alright.

I know it is only a proposal ,BUT hell GP Bikes.. If anybody has one, why not the Pre 95 class that i dreamed up....
You know, like the All the Classic Race Bikes in the other classic classes...

[snapoff]

2002 Manfeild Nats 250/F3 Terry Fitzgerald best lap 1.15.0, Andy Bolwell 1.15.9 to very fast riders on the fastest F3 bikes of the day , Troy O'Donoghue on sumone else's spare and old honda 250gp 1.12.2 ,Kris Shirriffs honda 250gp 1.13.0 ,a very big gap in lap times ,this gap will still be there if not bigger 8years later .

[satchriossi]

Lol, yeah its all fun and games until someone brings one of these motherfuckers to the party;

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This is an NXA, the last customer version HRC made before discontinuing the RS250 line. I don't know if anyone in NZ even has one of these ones. RS cycles has one crated still for $27,000US i seem to remember if anyone's keen?