5 S? A lean machine?

[MadDuck]

I really cannot understand the mentality being employed in this thread....surely if something is going to improve your workplace then it has to be for the good of the company and through that your own future...

I dont think the Kiwi attitude sucks. Just like I dont think that when some nob comes up with a hair brained idea we accept it. Its called thinking for ones self.

Oh and I WILL NOT sing the company song with my hand on my heart....EVER

[schrodingers cat]

I don't have any problems with 5S per se. I just don't think it is the be all, end all. Like most of these things it is worthwhile to study, understand and adopt what is applicable to you and your organisation. A slavish adherance to to management 'religious fads' isn't useful. Neither is a bloody minded 'We've always done it this way' mentality. I realise if it ain't broke don't fix it but if you aren't actually moving forward, you're going backwards.

Western Manufacturing has had a love affair with (essentially) Toyota manufacturing methodolgy. Interestingly, their corporate culture failed spectacularly in F1.

A bit of crystal ball gazing - the next big thing is going to be trying to adopt Indian 'good enough, fit for purpose' idealoogy

[Bren]

I don't have any problems with 5S per se. I just don't think it is the be all, end all. Like most of these things it is worthwhile to study, understand and adopt what is applicable to you and your organisation. A slavish adherance to to management 'religious fads' isn't useful. Neither is a bloody minded 'We've always done it this way' mentality. I realise if it ain't broke don't fix it but if you aren't actually moving forward, you're going backwards.

Western Manufacturing has had a love affair with (essentially) Toyota manufacturing methodolgy. Interestingly, their corporate culture failed spectacularly in F1.

A bit of crystal ball gazing - the next big thing is going to be trying to adopt Indian 'good enough, fit for purpose' idealoogy

No one system is going to work in its entrity with everyone...there is no magic cure...The thing is with these ideas is to take out of them what works for you and discard what does not...a bit of playing about so to speak until you get a system that works in your settings.
All I am suggesting is we need to be open to ideas and change to develop a better work ethic and a better economy...every little bit helps

[mashman]

No one system is going to work in its entrity with everyone...there is no magic cure...The thing is with these ideas is to take out of them what works for you and discard what does not...a bit of playing about so to speak until you get a system that works in your settings.
All I am suggesting is we need to be open to ideas and change to develop a better work ethic and a better economy...every little bit helps

doesn't that mean that we all have to sing from the same hymn sheet... I have difficulty singing.

[Scouse]

Shit we delt with that old chestnut when I was a NZ Dairy Foods back in 1998 then when I was at Gilmours it was brought in in 2006 they even got the same yarpie bloke that run the sessions at Dairy Foods to run it at Gilmours As he recorgnised me from NZDF he tried to rope me in to champion the shite at Gilmours with no luck.

[onearmedbandit]

They use it at my g/f's company, an enviromental testing lab, with great success. It has only been implemented in the last 12mths and they have seen benefits already (ie reduced wastage of product, better stock control resulting in less capital tied up, better position to serve customers in a time-critical industry.

[Katman]

The Kiwiw attitude sucks...we dont take too kindly to improvement through change...

Tell me about it.

[scumdog]

Maybe we should have a Brown Bag meeting, to get buy-in from all stakeholders from the ground floor?

Just about coughed me Moro bar all over the monitor when I read that - a real dose of shiney-bum clap-trap!! Well done!

[schrodingers cat]

I've seen all of this from all corners having been an employee, an employer and (to my shame) an educator.
One of the things I would like to say about attitudes is that holding the cheque book and having the buck stop with YOU changes your perspective mightily.
I realise that not everybody is geared to own a business and see the other side of the coin but digging ones toes in and nurturing a them and us mentality doesn't help things.

So yes, filter the 'shiny bum clap trap' jargon and take heart from the fact that they even want to 'get the guys together and explain what we're trying to achieve and get their opinions'

[KiwiRat]

Try this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Toyota_Way

It makes 5S look like a walk in the park. This is has recently been implemented at my workplace, leaving me barely enough time to do the job I was employed to do.

[scumdog]

I've seen all of this from all corners having been an employee, an employer and (to my shame) an educator.
One of the things I would like to say about attitudes is that holding the cheque book and having the buck stop with YOU changes your perspective mightily.
I realise that not everybody is geared to own a business and see the other side of the coin but digging ones toes in and nurturing a them and us mentality doesn't help things.

So yes, filter the 'shiny bum clap trap' jargon and take heart from the fact that they even want to 'get the guys together and explain what we're trying to achieve and get their opinions'

I know where you're coming from - it's not the message, it's how it's told ( the buzz-words).

[schrodingers cat]

I know where you're coming from - it's not the message, it's how it's told ( the buzz-words).

I know. It's the language of exclusion. We all do it in one form or another to make OUR peer group seem better/more exclusive

It another form of jargon and should be rewarded with a slap on the ear with a fillet of cold cod

[Mully]

I actually agree with theories like Constant Imporvement and whatnot. I try to do this myself.

Where I have issues is where an underworked "manager" (and I use that term loosely) comes across these things and rams them down your throat. Or has no idea how your job is done, but insists on new KPIs or reporting methods which are pointless.

[nothingflash]

Fuck I hope my boss doesn't see this thread!

I'll say...

[Mom]

Keep them coming guys, I have seen it work, seen it not work and cost shed loads of money in the process of not working.

What about workplace culture?

Fill your boots...