Serious question about police resources and equipment

[SMOKEU]

interesting turn of phrase, presumably deliberate.

They're a crips gang, just look at their colours. New Zealand's biggest gang.

[BoristheBiter]

I know a current patched member of the NZ Police who shed some light on the circumstances of that event.

funny that, i'm sure they left the gun in the car and just had the tazer.
But then your information must be better than mine.

[Banditbandit]

I know a current patched member of the NZ Police who shed some light on the circumstances of that event.

I'm sure the ranks of the NZ police (love the phrase ... fell about laughing ) are just as full of rumours and misinformation as the rest of us. Unless s/he was there, they don't know ...

[Banditbandit]

They're a crips gang, just look at their colours. New Zealand's biggest gang.

Can you point me at one of there tinie houses then? I'm sure they'll be safer than shopping from the bloods ..

[SMOKEU]

Can you point me at one of there tinie houses then? I'm sure they'll be safer than shopping from the bloods ..

I'm sure your local Police gang pad will have plenty of drugs they have confiscated off criminals.

[Bikemad]

these guys knew they were on a drug bust at the time, so yeah, pretty much.

thats not how i understand it.............i thought they went to that house to ask about the whereabouts of the neighbour who they were seeking when they smelt the weed so decided to enforce the misuse of drugs act and enter the house then got shot at for their troubles

[HenryDorsetCase]

thats not how i understand it.............i thought they went to that house to ask about the whereabouts of the neighbour who they were seeking when they smelt the weed so decided to enforce the misuse of drugs act and enter the house then got shot at for their troubles

yes, so they knew there were drugs involved. On the basis that assumption is the mother of all fuckups, knowing there are drugs there, one might infer there may be drug dealers, and perhaps firearms: thus a tactical response might be required.

But hey, I watch a lot of TV and movies, and my knowledge of police tactics and SOP is formed by watching 7 seasons of "The Shield" and five seasons of "The Wire", what the fuck do I know?

[red mermaid]

You got that dead right.

yes, so they knew there were drugs involved. On the basis that assumption is the mother of all fuckups, knowing there are drugs there, one might infer there may be drug dealers, and perhaps firearms: thus a tactical response might be required.

But hey, I watch a lot of TV and movies, and my knowledge of police tactics and SOP is formed by watching 7 seasons of "The Shield" and five seasons of "The Wire", what the fuck do I know?

[HenryDorsetCase]

You got that dead right.

Cheer up.

[Banditbandit]

yes, so they knew there were drugs involved. On the basis that assumption is the mother of all fuckups, knowing there are drugs there, one might infer there may be drug dealers, and perhaps firearms: thus a tactical response might be required.

But hey, I watch a lot of TV and movies, and my knowledge of police tactics and SOP is formed by watching 7 seasons of "The Shield" and five seasons of "The Wire", what the fuck do I know?

Naa .. smelling cannabis doesn't support the inference that there might be dealers or firearms ...

It just supports the idea that someone in the house has possession of, and is smoking, cannabis ... that's illegal right there ... plenty of dope smokers I know what be horrified at your inferences .. all good clean citizens who go to work in suits ...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Naa .. smelling cannabis doesn't support the inference that there might be dealers or firearms ...

It just supports the idea that someone in the house has possession of, and is smoking, cannabis ... that's illegal right there ... plenty of dope smokers I know what be horrified at your inferences .. all good clean citizens who go to work in suits ...

you know that and I know that. The point I was trying to make was that from a tactical perspective, it seems to me that a cop should assume a worst case scenario, rather than the best case.

Of course if there was a full on tactical response, then allegations of pleece brooootality would ensue.

So the answer in the immortal words of the Stepping Razor, Mr Peter Tosh:

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great song too.

[scumdog]

They're a crips gang, just look at their colours. New Zealand's biggest gang.

And don't you forget it!

[Headbanger]

You got that dead right.

Yeah, But he's not the silly fucker who got himself shot in the face....

[SS90]

these guys knew they were on a drug bust at the time, so yeah, pretty much.

Erm, no, as we all understand it, they where looking for information about a neighbor they where trying to locate, and, as has been mentioned smelled Pot at the address, and as such, where obliged to enter the premises.

I am pretty sure that in NZ, the majority of events involving Police officers "stumbling across" pot smokers don't involve Police officers getting shot.

Major growing operations (generally speaking) don't take place in Suburban locations, and they just stumbled upon a guy who was mentally ill, and what happened, happened.

I am of the opinion that the best way to stop this happening is tighter gun control, and requiring gun owners to have extremely high level of protection for their firearms (in the case of robbery)

Don't give all cops guns, we saw what happened when we gave them Pepper Spray and Tazers.

[SMOKEU]

And don't you forget it!

It wasn't meant to be an insult either.