Aftermarket wheels for new National SUPERBIKE rules

[CHOPPA]

Well the way I see it is I need a spare set of wheels and running aftermarket wheels is cheaper, if they are better or lighter remains to be seen but for now we will be running possibly Carrozzeria due to the savings

[Shaun]

That is a fair point but also lacking in facts. Some stock suspension units are pretty bloody good...look at the Showa 'big bore' front end Nick Cole lugged his arse around on to WIN the 600cc class this year. This was on a modified stock front end ZX6R!

I'm not saying lighter wheels are more important than aftermarket suspension, but I certainly won't say they are less important for safety either. The point being, we should be able to choose in this class.

What wheels are used by

British Supersport
AMA supersport
WSS
Australian Supersport

[onearmedbandit]

That is a fair point but also lacking in facts. Some stock suspension units are pretty bloody good...look at the Showa 'big bore' front end Nick Cole lugged his arse around on to WIN the 600cc class this year. This was on a modified stock front end ZX6R!

Very valid point and one I hadn't considered, std suspension due to racing is getting better.

I'm not saying lighter wheels are more important than aftermarket suspension, but I certainly won't say they are less important for safety either. The point being, we should be able to choose in this class.

You are right, in the open class you should be able to choose.

On a different note. As I said I'm not a racer, I don't put bikes through the stresses that you guys do, so I'm asking blindly here. Would a superbike be more likely to tie itself in knots on std suspension but aftermarket rims out of a long 3rd gear 'hard on the throttle' corner or the other way around, ie aftermarket suspension and std rims. I don't have an angle here, I'm genuinely interested.

[Biggles08]

Would a superbike be more likely to tie itself in knots on std suspension but aftermarket rims out of a long 3rd gear 'hard on the throttle' corner or the other way around, ie aftermarket suspension and std rims. I don't have an angle here, I'm genuinely interested.

Well I guess that would all depend on what bike and which corner....Ask Choppa what he can do around Pukekohe (a bumpy as fuck track) on a stock GSXR1000....sub minute I seem to recall.

[Biggles08]

What wheels are used by

British Supersport
AMA supersport
WSS
Australian Supersport

I have no idea...guess I should google it huh . Whats your point here?

[Shaun]

I have no idea...guess I should google it huh . Whats your point here?

Point is, they are NOT used best of my knoledge?

So again, WHY introduce some thing here, that is NOT used around the world?

[jellywrestler]

While I understand your reasoning Glen, at the end of the day like I have said before, natural selection will occur.

Natural selection occured some years ago when sports production was first introduced.
There was a Formula one class and Sports proddie, on the grid for F1 there were just two F1 machines, the rest were sports proddie bikes with slicks.
you've said yourself Biggles that it will compliment suspension and add Bling.
There's the answer in a nutshell, you don't say that it would be better to spend your money on wheels instead of (so it's another cost instead of an either or situation) only on top of.
If anyone wants bling (bling (bliŋ) noun ---showy and expensive jewelry or other ostentatious accessories flamboyant or ostentatious showiness; glitz )
added to their race machinery they should go Porsche racing alternatively My partner is pretty good with photo shop she can touch up your photos for a couple of cheap wines.(, although I wouldn't go as far as saying the attached piccie is exactly 'bling)

[Biggles08]

There's the answer in a nutshell, you don't say that it would be better to spend your money on wheels instead of (so it's another cost instead of an either or situation) only on top of.

It could be however Jelly...if you feel you can compete effectively by only spending money on one or the other you are free to do so....alternatively for the guys that are factory backed or have a sponsor willing to spend the coin you can have both (As an open class should allow). The choice is there whereas at the moment it is not (well shortly it will be).

I think the truth is, people involved in motorcycle racing do actually KNOW how good reducing unsprung weight actually is and therefore know it will be money well spent...that's why there is some resistance because currently NZ Motorcycle racing has by default put more $$$ worth on aftermarket suspension rather than reducing the weight of your rims as there has been no representation in NZ for promoting this key issue....now there is.

I think it will add good interest in this new area of performance enhancement. I know how much better my 2007 ZX6R brakes and accelerates with my CARROZZERIA wheels on...its a no brainier to me. In fact, talking about safety, FYI my front suspension is 100% stock KAWASAKI OEM, includeing the OEM springs (2007 vintage too remember, not the new big bore one) and always has been. If I could afford to I would have aftermarket internals too but I have chosen to race with the wheels instead. Even a slow racer like me can do 1:35's around Taupo full track on this setup.

[White trash]

I see your point, but as the first post alluded to, the importers are happy to do deals for races, and you can get them out of the states from the likes of SK for about 2.4k a set.

Nope. The first post says "applications for deals", not "Deals for all racers". I'm pretty sure if I rang Marcus and asked for three sets of nice wheels (and don't get me wrong, they're FUCKING nice wheels) as a sponsorship deal his people would tell me to get fucked and rightly so. Mr Stroud on the other hand........

I've got no problem with the wheels, Marcus' sponsor or the deals they're prepared top do or not do. The fact is, that at even 2.5K a set, it's added 6.5K to start of the season before you've even turned a wheel (excuse the pun) over importing a couple of extra sets of stock wheels from the good ol' U S of A.

However, credit where credit's due to Biggles for maximising his sponsors potential growth through the new rule changes. He's probably the best ambassedor for ANY of his sponsors I've yet seen.

[RDjase]

How much do standard wheels weigh comapared to aftermarket?

Are slicks lighter than dot tyres?

Are there lighter race tyres available? and what if any specs have changed in tyre weight over the years?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nope. The first post says "applications for deals", not "Deals for all racers"..

If you're gonna go racing again...buy the cheapest you can get. You'll no doubt smash a few when you barrel roll the bike a few times!

[Biggles08]

The fact is, that at even 2.5K a set, it's added 6.5K to start of the season before you've even turned a wheel (excuse the pun) over importing a couple of extra sets of stock wheels from the good ol' U S of A..

That's an interesting equation WT...I think possibly some female reasoning there too! Care to explain the $6.5k?

Whilst riding with wet tires attached to a nice set of CARROZZERIA wheels would be an ideal situation, we all know the benefits are drastically reduced in wet conditions for any racer and the equipment they are on. The benefits of having x2 sets or more of these wheels would realistically be minimal and stock rims would suffice for most in the rain. So going with your figure of $2.5k per set; The grand extra total for most would be $2.5k (that by the way is not the correct figure, just using it as WT did.)

But really we digress, if someone in the "open" class wants to spend the money, I think they should be allowed...as should they be allowed to spend $20k on the latest Ohlins from Europe if they want too. After all, the whole idea of this class is to have a point of difference from "Stock" class.

[Biggles08]

If you're gonna go racing again...buy the cheapest you can get. You'll no doubt smash a few when you barrel roll the bike a few times!

The CARROZZERIA wheels are 1.8 times stronger than standard cast wheels so he may be ok

[imdying]

Nope. The first post says "applications for deals", not "Deals for all racers".

I assumed that was just to weed out the non racers?

I'm pretty sure if I rang Marcus and asked for three sets of nice wheels (and don't get me wrong, they're FUCKING nice wheels) as a sponsorship deal his people would tell me to get fucked and rightly so. Mr Stroud on the other hand........

Yup, they're very nice indded... but I don't think the intention was to give them away to all and sundry in the first place!

The fact is, that at even 2.5K a set, it's added 6.5K to start of the season before you've even turned a wheel (excuse the pun) over importing a couple of extra sets of stock wheels from the good ol' U S of A.

How's that, can you get a couple of extra stock sets from the states for free?

[Crasherfromwayback]

The CARROZZERIA wheels are 1.8 times stronger than standard cast wheels so he may be ok

They'll need to be ten times stronger to handle his riding mate!