Aftermarket wheels for new National SUPERBIKE rules

[gixerracer]

What the fuck is your point Cowpoos?

Pretty obvious I thought

[gixerracer]

Dont think you were aloud to change that either? Prop not aloud those hi comp pistons in my bike either but no drama.

Yamahas apparently need the link changed

Aha you should have read the rules grasshopper we in fact were allowed as long as the linkage wasnt changed which it wasnt

[gixerracer]

There was a proposed set of rules out which allowed them but it was squashed about an hour ago

The proposed rules are not from MNZ as such put the said brain trust then they submit to the dealers association and MNZ for them to debate.
Outcome is pretty clear, Paul Stewart and team had a clear direction to be Superstock as the core class within the mext couple of years would have been pretty much the old 600 rules applied to the 1000 which would have been good but then other people come up with these RANDOM ideas

[Biggles08]

I think a nail just got hit on the head

So Lighter wheels don't improve your bikes handling and performance Craig?

Not sure exactly where I said they would make me 'run with the front guys' but I guess we can read what we want to on KB eh?

[Biggles08]

The proposed rules are not from MNZ as such put the said brain trust then they submit to the dealers association and MNZ for them to debate.

How does one go about being part of the "Dealers Association?" I'm thinking it may have been a good idea for CARROZZERIA to have been part of those debates....had we known.

[Robert Taylor]

I agree, I would rather race a bike in the dry with a standard shock than a kitted bike in the pissing rain. What is deemed "safer"?

Better still run a quality aftermarket shock in the wet with valving and springing set for those conditions

[Robert Taylor]

Maybe, but there was a KCT "sponsored" superbike near the front last year with non standard links fitted, at least it would be legal now. And it is pretty obvious what you are trying to get at - but if the people you are obviously digging at have no interest in contesting the superbike class this season why would a rule that dosn't concern them be a conflict of interest?

CKT you muppet. Sponsored no, service contract yes. Shorter pullrod only yes, TOTALLY LEGAL as per MNZ rules yes. Read the rulebook! We briefly ran a Yosh link in one of the Suzukis at Tri Series ( not subject to MNZ Superbike rules ) and the rider liked the stock link better

Potential conflict of interest and the tone of what I said was not in any way combative. You need to understand the Queens Engrish a little better!

[Robert Taylor]

So Lighter wheels don't improve your bikes handling and performance Craig?

Not sure exactly where I said they would make me 'run with the front guys' but I guess we can read what we want to on KB eh?

No doubt that they do but you miss the point, RACERS IN NZ CANNOT AFFORD THAT SUBSTANTIAL EXTRA EXPENDITURE. No matter how you package it.
I changed a spring for you foc through the winter series last year and it was doubtful that you would have had the budget to buy it ( and I hadnt even sold you the shock and it was also a brand I dont sell ) So unless you have won lotto would you be running at least one maybe 2 sets of lightweight wheels if they werent sponsored to you?

[gixerracer]

How does one go about being part of the "Dealers Association?" I'm thinking it may have been a good idea for CARROZZERIA to have been part of those debates....had we known.

The bike distributors ya putz

[Drew]

Well, for once I read an entire thread, only to find the pertinent information in the last page.

Back to the usual method of skipping straight to the last page methinks.

[Biggles08]

No doubt that they do but you miss the point, RACERS IN NZ CANNOT AFFORD THAT SUBSTANTIAL EXTRA EXPENDITURE. No matter how you package it.
I changed a spring for you foc through the winter series last year and it was doubtful that you would have had the budget to buy it ( and I hadnt even sold you the shock and it was also a brand I dont sell ) So unless you have won lotto would you be running at least one maybe 2 sets of lightweight wheels if they werent sponsored to you?

No Robert, that comment was with regards to Cowpoos inaccurately making assumptions about my thoughts on my ability as a racer...and Craig said he "hit the nail on the head" even though it had nothing to do with the point of my original post (the quote from the CARROZZERIA website).

Also, regarding your argument about costs of these wheels, as Choppa has already said THEY ARE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN OEM IN MOST CASES! So how does that make them 'too expensive for most racers?' I realize most purchase 2nd hand from ebay but how does that help our domestic competition? If these wheels were allowed to be used and purchased at a lesser price than OEM brand new, shortly the market would be afloat with people selling these wheels 2nd hand to others and we would in effect give people an alternative to ebay!

I would be running these wheels now that I know the difference they make...they would be high on my priority of 'things to get' regardless of if I was sponsored or not. You know the technical side of how much difference they make to a bikes performance and I struggle to understand why there seems to be such an apparent movement against allowing them should one wish to use them.

When you changed my spring out of my PENSKE you made a massive difference to how the bike felt...it opened my eyes to the wonders of suspension tuning...but you are right, I am yet to win Lotto and I like most others need to be careful where I spend my $$$...This is why I'm planning to run Stock this year...but like I keep saying...open class should be able to choose where to spend their performance upgrades...especially with such critical issue as unsprung weight.

[Rcktfsh]

If you are talking bout my honda steve you are wrong AGAIN we changed the Dog bone thingy which was allowed never touched the link

Can't of been you he mentioned a front running bike.

[Drew]

Also, regarding your argument about costs of these wheels, as Choppa has already said THEY ARE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN OEM IN MOST CASES! So how does that make them 'too expensive for most racers?' I realize most purchase 2nd hand from ebay but how does that help our domestic competition? If these wheels were allowed to be used and purchased at a lesser price than OEM brand new, shortly the market would be afloat with people selling these wheels 2nd hand to others and we would in effect give people an alternative to ebay!

So you're suggesting, that 12 people running light wheels purchased in New Zealand is gonna completely change the aftermarket parts industry here?

You need to be a bit more realistic Marcus. Very few people can afford these wheels, that 3 or 4 grand would be MUCH better spent on tyres in 80% of the NZ racers budget.

I've ridden on standard and merchasini (not your brand I know, but just as good I'd think) wheels in back to back sessions, and there is a massive difference. But the GEOMETRY of the bike needs to be changed to fully utilise the gains possible, so chucking a set of standard wheels back on for the wet races is gonna be more dangerous unless you can get Robert to run from garage to garage. And as good a bloke as he is, he'll tell you he detests that kind of malarky.

[Shaun]

Thank God common sense kicked in, and these crazy exspensive parts are NOT allowed.

[Biggles08]

Thank God common sense kicked in, and these crazy exspensive parts are NOT allowed.

Yeah...thank goodness those who need spare rims have to buy OEM now....and save...oh yes, NOTHING!

and again....

CARROZZERIA rims from the authorized NZ importer (not parallel imported) are often LESS EXPENSIVE than OEM rims....how is that saving money Shaun????