Islamisation

[Big Dave]

Viva le Kebab.

[Hitcher]

This site's rules are that "religious discussions" shall be relegated to Pointless Drivel.

Congratulations to contributors to this thread so far. As long as the discussion remains true to the original post about the Islamisation of Europe, i.e. a political discussion, then it's OK to stay in R&R.

[mattian]

ahhhh..... the never ending religous debate.

If anybody has ever bothered to read the Quran they will realise that Islam and Christanity are almost exactly the same. They share the same stories and beliefs about Moses and Jesus.
Its just unfortunate that a fundamentalist minority of each group has to make us all fear the whole group because of their radical views.
There are MORE things in common with both religions than there are differences so, its fucking absurd that we should not all get along.

[ac3_snow]

Would you take advice from Winston Peters?

gud point mate, theres always one eh. then again he may not be far off, just needs a good dose of salt.

[Rogue Rider]

It is quite thought provoking indeed. It's also a very prominent and deliberate strategy.
Africa was one to Islam easily this century over the Christian faith ministries as Islam followers/ muslims set up mosques and built facilities with there amassed financial wealth. They offered free education in Islamic universities to its followers and growth grew rapidly. It invested heavily and quietly grew its population and following.
Europe is obvious, so to is alot of the west. Islam like any religion aims for domination and wiping out other religions.
Islam professes to be the one true religion, and is the most intolerable of any other, and will use any force necessary to destroy it's competition. Its very easy for general followers to become fundamentalist extremists. The initial 5 books/ chapters of the Koran are pretty similar to the Torah (Holy Scriptures", and are largely based on such. The last half of the Koran becomes very pointed, intolerant, and violent towards nonacceptance to followers and compliance. Very little to no grace.
Its worth mentioning, that the historic genealogy of Islam is through the direct descendant Ishmael who was the cast out illegitimate son of Abraham. Abraham is the father of the Hebrews/ Jews and Israel the people. The promise of God was given through Abraham's first born through Sarah, his wife, who was born after Ishmael, who was born through Abraham's maid servant Hagar.
This is where the hatred stems and has stemmed for the past few thousand years. It is a blood feud which will continue throughout time until the end.

As for the take over of the world, its highly probable that Islam will continue to infiltrate, migrate and set up shop in a town or city near you. They will come in peace waving flags of grace, love and freindship, and over time will penetrate societies governing places and take positions of leadership. They will no doubt try to bend societies standards to their ways, and enforce their rules on the societies they can. Schools will change, towns and Cities will change, and laws will change.
They will do it covertly, and legally, and most will not object or confront.
They will slowly become a sleeping giant, but one with the intention to overpower, dominate and rule.
I would encourage individuals to research the Koran for themselves and form their own views.

Here is an interesting fact. In Europe, the population is falling drastically. The average family in Europe only has 1.3 children. For a population to sustain itself it must have a population ration of 2.3 -2.5 childern to surpass the mortality rate.
The average Islamic/ muslim family has a ration of 6.7-7.5 children per family.
It is also worth noting that the population of Islamic migration to Europe is over 23%, and in some countries, such as France, it is alleged that Muslims populate over a 3rd of the population.
If Islamic Muslim believers/ followers were to make up 50% of any population, imagine the control and power they would have. They unite as one, and elect there own, and adapt policy as there own.

Interesting theology, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and also the fastest growing population worldwide. If every Muslim family has 7+ children, imagine what the country will be like in 50 years. NZ isn't high on the priority list, but Islams presence is being felt. The tale of the veil, the acceptance of tolerance to the Islam ways....... Watch this space.....

Edited to remove possible infractionable materials..... Hopefully nothing untoward in here, just info formed from stats online.

[emaN]

Rogue Rider, you made me sigh a sigh of relief.
I'm so very thankful not all those who read this bolt for the nearest sand-pit & bury their furry lil' heads in it. It was getting rather worrying.

Islam is subtle, it is politics and it is control; yes we've seen this all before. The Islamic spin however is terribly unpleasant.

Atheist, agnostic, believer (in anything) matters not to Islam. To them we are unbelieving infidels and as such only deserve to suffer.

Islamisation is unfortunately very real and already well under way in NZ.

I can provide details of visiting speakers to Muslim youth camps who are on security watch-lists...

It beggars belief.

[mattian]

Islamisation is unfortunately very real and already well under way in NZ.

I seem to recall a young Adolf Hitler once espoused the same kind of rhetoric about Jews in Germany.... once upon a time.

I live in a New Zealand where all people are welcome to live here. Regardless of race or RELIGION.

[Oakie]

I can provide details of visiting speakers to Muslim youth camps who are on security watch-lists...

Go on then...

[mattian]

Go on then...

I think you've called his bluff. Very interested to hear his response, so we can all show up at their houses with pitch-forks and flaming crosses.

[Reckless]

Just an observation away from religion and back to basics?

IMHO if you do anything five times a day, have to do it, arrange your life around it or your life isn't full anymore. Whether it be Praying, drink, sex, drugs, thinking bad thoughts(Depression), posting on Kiwibiker even riding bikes!
Its become an obsession, it has taken you over IMHO you have become an extremist and lost rational to whatever enslaves you.
If we give these type of people political control then we are doomed, there never will be any balance, by the nature of the beast, there cannot be. If you are not in control of your thoughts Tolerance of anything other than what controls you, is wrong to you.
Not the political reality I want!!

All I can say is thank god for the Bikini thread and the NO bikini thread LOL!!!

[F5 Dave]

. . .
I live in a New Zealand where all people are welcome to live here. Regardless of race or RELIGION.

Yes you do & long may it continue.

But I think the point being made is that whilst we are tolerant as a people it doesn't mean that others will show the same tolerance. We have been conditioned to be PC pussies.

Maybe we don't need an army [this is how I thought when I was 20]. I don't want to fight in any war. Well in peace time, gee it's not that important. But history teaches some harsh lessons for those with short memories.

Ohh lets use your Hitler example. The Nazi's weren't that popular, or a majority in the early 30s. But a ground swell changed that & they swept into power & Anyone who wasn't a Nazi could yell "But it isn't fair" in a pitiful voice as much as they wanted.

[Hitcher]

If Islam is as insidious and as evil as some would make it, at what point do the forces of liberal reason, commonsense and decency rise up against it?

And what, exactly, would they be rising up against?

I would have thought that New Zealand's rednecks would be more concerned about Pacific Islanders or Chinese, and leave worrying about the Islamic peril to the Dutch rednecks.

[F5 Dave]

. . . , at what point do the forces of liberal reason, commonsense and decency rise up against it?. . .

Well, obviously after Austria & Poland have fallen. After all they are a long way away & we don't want any trouble.
Maybe we could sign some sort of tolerance agreement?

[Hitcher]

That's a great idea. Let's resurrect this topic after Austria and Poland have "fallen".

[pete376403]

If Islam is as insidious and as evil as some would make it, at what point do the forces of liberal reason, commonsense and decency rise up against it?

At risk of invoking Godwins, National Socialism was either ignored or tolerated until its excesses couldn't be excused any longer (ie once they invaded other countries). Thus I expect it would be with extreme islam.

I would have thought that New Zealand's rednecks would be more concerned about Pacific Islanders or Chinese, and leave worrying about the Islamic peril to the Dutch rednecks.

PI religion doesn't specify killing non-PIs. Chinese, while they probably dislike roundeyes, would rather have us as a market for their goods. Dead, we're no use.