Islamisation

[Hitcher]

Dead, we're no use.

Islam doesn't hold the patent on that fundamental truth. I don't see them killing anybody yet, apart from illegal armies of occupation.

[Virago]

That's a great idea. Let's resurrect this topic after Austria and Poland have "fallen".

I look forward to making my escape over the Southern Alps with my children, whilst singing Dave Dobbyn's "Loyal"...

[F5 Dave]

Well Dutch crazies aside, what would happen if some european counties were outbreed by their immigrants? Lets say they began to vote, after all everyone has a right to vote. At what point where they have the majority of the vote while the indigenous people split votes between the right wing racists & the tolerance for everyone liberals, do they decide that they have the numbers to demand Sharia law. That might change a few peoples living conditions. Women especially.

Nah could never happen.

Having said that look at Tehran in '79. ok not the same situation, but it did change from being a progressive nation to. . well, Iran as we know it now.

[Oscar]

It is quite thought provoking indeed. It's also a very prominent and deliberate strategy.
Africa was one to Islam easily this century over the Christian faith ministries as Islam followers/ muslims set up mosques and built facilities with there amassed financial wealth. They offered free education in Islamic universities to its followers and growth grew rapidly. It invested heavily and quietly grew its population and following.
Europe is obvious, so to is alot of the west. Islam like any religion aims for domination and wiping out other religions.
Islam professes to be the one true religion, and is the most intolerable of any other, and will use any force necessary to destroy it's competition. Its very easy for general followers to become fundamentalist extremists. The initial 5 books/ chapters of the Koran are pretty similar to the Torah (Holy Scriptures", and are largely based on such. The last half of the Koran becomes very pointed, intolerant, and violent towards nonacceptance to followers and compliance. Very little to no grace.
Its worth mentioning, that the historic genealogy of Islam is through the direct descendant Ishmael who was the cast out illegitimate son of Abraham. Abraham is the father of the Hebrews/ Jews and Israel the people. The promise of God was given through Abraham's first born through Sarah, his wife, who was born after Ishmael, who was born through Abraham's maid servant Hagar.
This is where the hatred stems and has stemmed for the past few thousand years. It is a blood feud which will continue throughout time until the end.

As for the take over of the world, its highly probable that Islam will continue to infiltrate, migrate and set up shop in a town or city near you. They will come in peace waving flags of grace, love and freindship, and over time will penetrate societies governing places and take positions of leadership. They will no doubt try to bend societies standards to their ways, and enforce their rules on the societies they can. Schools will change, towns and Cities will change, and laws will change.
They will do it covertly, and legally, and most will not object or confront.
They will slowly become a sleeping giant, but one with the intention to overpower, dominate and rule.
I would encourage individuals to research the Koran for themselves and form their own views.

Here is an interesting fact. In Europe, the population is falling drastically. The average family in Europe only has 1.3 children. For a population to sustain itself it must have a population ration of 2.3 -2.5 childern to surpass the mortality rate.
The average Islamic/ muslim family has a ration of 6.7-7.5 children per family.
It is also worth noting that the population of Islamic migration to Europe is over 23%, and in some countries, such as France, it is alleged that Muslims populate over a 3rd of the population.
If Islamic Muslim believers/ followers were to make up 50% of any population, imagine the control and power they would have. They unite as one, and elect there own, and adapt policy as there own.


Edited to remove possible infractionable materials..... Hopefully nothing untoward in here, just info formed from stats online.

Interesting, much of this also describes methods used by Christian Missionaries over the last few centuries.

[Hitcher]

Having said that look at Tehran in '79. ok not the same situation, but it did change from being a progressive nation to. . well, Iran as we know it now.

From my recollection of events in Iran in 1979, a one corrupt repressive regime was replaced by another. The Americans thought this was evil and armed and trained the country next door to cause havoc and mahem.

People forget that Islam doesn't come in one flavour. Iran has no expansionist intentions. Malaysia is pretty liberal. Moslems in the Balkans even eat pork.

[Oakie]

That's a great idea. Let's resurrect this topic after Austria and Poland have "fallen".

Whew! "Peace in our time".

[Oscar]

An email I just got that I thought might provoke a bit of comment both ways Here on KB.

Its headed up "This Will Give You Cold Chills!"

But why? Because someone thinks like this or because you believe what he says??

I'll leave it to you!!

This Will Give You Cold Chills!

Geert Wilders is a Dutch Member of Parliament.

In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system.

??!! Sez who?

[F5 Dave]

Whew! "Peace in our time".

Haha, nicely played.

[F5 Dave]

From my recollection of events in Iran in 1979, a one corrupt repressive regime was replaced by another. The Americans thought this was evil and armed and trained the country next door to cause havoc and mahem.
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Yeah I'm no expert on the area, but I do remember a documentary showing the difference before & after. People riding around on 750 fours, women in university, doctors etc. Then after they weren't allowed to become educated. Heck if you play your cards wrong & have sex out of marriage or get raped you could be stoned to death.

However it isn't our right to criticise other peoples cultures. If that is deemed acceptable then we shouldn't bat an eye.

[pete376403]

Islam doesn't hold the patent on that fundamental truth. I don't see them killing anybody yet, apart from illegal armies of occupation.

Maybe I was too obtuse.
Islam states it is expected of believers to kill infidels (ie non muslims) - a few of quotes: (there are many like this)
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

Chinese seem to be more about making money, regardless of who they deal with. However they need live customers.

[pete376403]

??!! Sez who?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle4749183.ece

[Oscar]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle4749183.ece

Thanks, but that's a little bit of a tabloid take on it.
Those are more dispute tribunals than courts (very similar to our Marae based justice) - if a complaint was taken to the police, if would have to acted on through the normal system.

In the context of Wilders little propaganda rant, you could be forgiven for assuming that Sharia law had replaced common law and there were people have hands removed and being stoned to death.

Are you also aware that an alternative Jewish system has been available for years in the UK?
British Jews, particularly the orthodox, will frequently turn to their own religious courts, the Beth Din, to resolve civil disputes, covering issues as diverse as business and divorce.

[Oscar]

Maybe I was too obtuse.
Islam states it is expected of believers to kill infidels (ie non muslims) - a few of quotes: (there are many like this)
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

Chinese seem to be more about making money, regardless of who they deal with. However they need live customers.

Firstly, there are plenty of passages like that in the Bible, and do you feel obliged to follow them?

Secondly, for someone quoting Islamic texts, why don't you know that Christians are not considered infidels?

[Aryaeil]

Mosques, churches and temples are all beautiful buildings. It's the twits who use them that are the problem. Religion is not a facade to hide behind. You are what you do, religious or not. This pontificating is thirsty work. I'm off to the pub, Cheers

[Big Dave]

How do we solve a problem like Virago.