Two innocent people killed in police chase

[Pixie]

What's a couple of deaths if it means you temporarily get an unlicensed driver off the road.
Small price to pay

[JimO]

What's a couple of deaths if it means you temporarily get an unlicensed drive off the road.
Small price to pay

so its the cops fault??? is that what your saying

[Pixie]

so its the cops fault??? is that what your saying

I think it's your subconscious trying to tell you something

[Paul in NZ]

What are we going to do? HTFU is what... Probably 80% of the crime is committed by a very very small number of people... Yeah sure, we all make mistakes etc etc but 2 people are dead..

I dunno - is there a fair way to execute someone for stupidity...

[Forest]

What's a couple of deaths if it means you temporarily get an unlicensed driver off the road.
Small price to pay

He was a disqualified driver, not simply unlicensed.

His license was taken away from him to stop him from driving.

[Banditbandit]

He was a disqualified driver, not simply unlicensed.

His license was taken away from him to stop him from driving.

Since when did removing a small plastic card stop anyone driving? Chopping off his right foot wouild at least make it a bit more difficult ..

[meteor]

The failing to stop charge is seen as an administrative offence allowing other actions to take place and is generally chucked by the system [prosecutors, lawyers or the judge] in favour of negotiating a plea or proceeding on substantive offences i.e. reckless driving, unlawful taking etc. What imho needs to happen is the failing to stop charge IS treated as a stand alone substantive offence. And it should carry mandatory minimums of vehicle confiscation (if owned) and time inside. The penalty needs to be severe enough to deter the act. Otherwise known as sensible sentencing.

Maybe we could have a referendum... lobby parliament... like we did for MMP, alcohol etc!

No we'll just have to wait for that silly bitch that heads the IPCA to find it was the police's fault... again.

[NinjaNanna]

All of this can be easily and cheaply fixed by technology, simply add to the cars ECU the following parameters:

1. Require an electronic license to be inserted in order to drive the vehicle
2. Allow the police to remotely shutdown the vehicle
3. disable the vehicle if it doesn't have current registration and WOF
4. Signal to any passing police vehicle if it has been tampered with

Sure some will still be able to hack the system, but the vast majority of undesireables would be disabled.

Simple to implement it just requires the political will to implement effective change.

If the general population had any sort of vision we could virtually eliminate this problem inside of 10years, even sooner if they were willing to retro fit a computer to older vehicles.

[Marmoot]

1. I find it ironic how some people here are baying for blood and put out comments such as "cut his foot off just below his neck" etc, while at the same time there are threads here about Islamisation and how many laughed at the news where Saudi court asked doctors to permanently-paralyse a criminal to punish him for what he did to a victim.
P.S. Not saying anything. Just saying it's ironic. That's all.

2. The more we talk about police chase, the more some would think the police would stop chasing "if they go fast enough". The more things would happen.
Sad, but true.

[phill-k]

All of this can be easily and cheaply fixed by technology, simply add to the cars ECU the following parameters:

1. Require an electronic license to be inserted in order to drive the vehicle
2. Allow the police to remotely shutdown the vehicle
3. disable the vehicle if it doesn't have current registration and WOF
4. Signal to any passing police vehicle if it has been tampered with

Sure some will still be able to hack the system, but the vast majority of undesireables would be disabled.

Simple to implement it just requires the political will to implement effective change.

If the general population had any sort of vision we could virtually eliminate this problem inside of 10years, even sooner if they were willing to retro fit a computer to older vehicles.

Can't agree with this, a real intrusion into the privacy of Joe Citizen.

We have adequate laws to deal with this sort of crime - end result Manslaughter or some such the real issue lies with those that enforce the penalties for these crimes - The courts.

Until our judiciary wake up and see that the Police are being placed in an unenviable situation and hand down judgements that actually create a deterrence, penalties that make such people realise the the consequences are two great these situations will continue.

Removal of property - the car regardless of ownership - incarceration - other loss of liberty or assets.

["D" FZ1]

And now the "Oxygen Thief" is in Intensive Care costing the Tax Payer lots of money

[marty]

Having pre-existing conditions (disqualified/unlicensed/no wof etc) should immediately ramp up the charge - a bit like the difference between state and federal charges in the US, or in NZ - where burglary without a weapon is just burglary, but with a weapon it straight away becomes aggravated burglary and ups the penalty significantly.

At the moment, killing people in a car while committing another offence (like failing to stop) immediately begins a homicide investigation, however for the most part it will bring a reckless/dangerous causing death charge - the manslaughter charge should be laid, and it then be a question of law as to the conviction on the lower charge.

[onearmedbandit]

All of this can be easily and cheaply fixed by technology, simply add to the cars ECU the following parameters:

1. Require an electronic license to be inserted in order to drive the vehicle
2. Allow the police to remotely shutdown the vehicle
3. disable the vehicle if it doesn't have current registration and WOF
4. Signal to any passing police vehicle if it has been tampered with

Sure some will still be able to hack the system, but the vast majority of undesireables would be disabled.

Simple to implement it just requires the political will to implement effective change.

If the general population had any sort of vision we could virtually eliminate this problem inside of 10years, even sooner if they were willing to retro fit a computer to older vehicles.

Cheaply? To retro-fit all the cars currently on the road? And what about those cars that don't actually have ECU's? How do you disable them?

[Edbear]

I actually agree. What are the Police supposed to do? Let every driver that they think is a risk get away every time without even attemting to pull them over? THEN how many accidents would there be? Its a tragic outcome indeed, but once again, if the driver hadn't fled police the outcome may have been different.

The car was not warranted, not registered, and driven by an disqualified driver.

I don't think that the answer to this situation is to impose more laws - the laws we currently have did not stop this scrote from getting in his car and killing two innocent bystanders.

If it was up to me, I'd simply disconnect all the machines in the intensive care ward and let nature take care of things. But I'd settle for manslaughter charges.

He was a disqualified driver, not simply unlicensed.

His license was taken away from him to stop him from driving.

Can't agree with this, a real intrusion into the privacy of Joe Citizen.

We have adequate laws to deal with this sort of crime - end result Manslaughter or some such the real issue lies with those that enforce the penalties for these crimes - The courts.

Until our judiciary wake up and see that the Police are being placed in an unenviable situation and hand down judgements that actually create a deterrence, penalties that make such people realise the the consequences are two great these situations will continue.

Removal of property - the car regardless of ownership - incarceration - other loss of liberty or assets.

Having pre-existing condictions (disqualified/unlicensed/no wof etc) should immediately ramp up the charge - a bit like the difference between state and federal charges in the US, or in NZ - where burglary without a weapon is just burglary, but with a weapon it straight away becomes aggravated burglary and ups the penalty significantly.

At the moment, killing people in a car while committing another offence (like failing to stop) immediately begins a homocide investigation, however for the most part it will bring a reckless/dangerous causing death charge - the manslaughter charge should be laid, and it then be a question of law as to the conviction on the lower charge.

These members speak sense, well, maybe not the disconnecting the life support bit, but...

These morons do not care about any laws and will continue to do as they please until they are stopped. Last night on Motorway Patrol the Police attended an accident scene. What did they find? The driver with a head injury from snapping a light pole and crashing into a tree. He was drunk, blew over 700. No surprise there, but he'd lost his licence the day before after blowing over 800 and shouldn't have been driving at all, let alone drunk! As the Cop said about the light pole, "That could have been your loved one!"

The US system of upgradable charges begining with Vehicular Manslaughter should be used here along with the 3 degrees of murder. Automatic charge of manslaughter in any case. Any Police on here who could tell us why he couldn't be charged with manslaughter anyway?

[slofox]

This guy was on RNZ this morning...about 1.01 into the clip.

http://static.radionz.net.nz/assets/...xpert-m048.asx