"Every officer to issue, on average, 1500 tickets a year..."

[MSTRS:Me]

That's because the greatest improvement to our accident stats would be achieved by a widespread improvement in the general attitude of motorcyclists towards Motorcycling.

The beatings will continue until morale improves?
Externally applied motivation has never worked. But expecting an 'inside job' from rebels is also doomed to fail.
Back to the beatings...might as well make some money off 'em, eh?

[Katman]

Externally applied motivation has never worked. But expecting an 'inside job' from rebels is also doomed to fail.

I've long since given up picturing myself as a 'rebel' just because I ride a motorcycle and I'm sure there's many others that think the same way.

The 'inside job' doesn't have to be left up to the rebels.

[Conquiztador]

That's because the greatest improvement to our accident stats would be achieved by a widespread improvement in the general attitude of motorcyclists towards Motorcycling.

I have no problems with working with novices in the way they are planning to. And with time it might perhaps have some impact. My point was more to say that I am not impressed that the only place there was a plan to do work was with novices. So it looks like more training for novices/less powerful bikes for them and fines for the rest of us is the plan here... Hope that study did not cost any money.

[Mully]

The trouble, IMHFO, is that the road toll is due to the poor standard of drivers (and riders) in this country. They drive too fast for the conditions (their own, their car, the road, the weather)

TPTB, rather than require a harder set of testing than stuff that wouldn't tax the abilities of a mildly retarded chimp, and require regular refreshers of higher skills want a simple solution. So they bang the drum of "speed kills".

Then, when they get a statistical blip (aided by the weather) for the 4km/h speed tolerance, they proclaim their ideas "awesome" and do it again.

[Winston001]

......WHERE IS MY TAX MONEY GOING HMMM?

Here: http://www.treasury.govt.nz/governme...d/jun10/07.htm

$46 billion on Social Welfare (including national superannuation), health, and education. Plus an other $36 billion on the rest.

Traffic tickets are not even a pimple.

[avgas]

Awesome figures.
Pity fuck all of the offenders are paying them.

Sounds all rather ETS to me.

[avgas]

Here: http://www.treasury.govt.nz/governme...d/jun10/07.htm

$46 billion on Social Welfare (including national superannuation), health, and education. Plus an other $36 billion on the rest.

Traffic tickets are not even a pimple.

Just as a ball park figure...
1500 tickets
11000 cops
Say $100 avg ticket
$1,650,000,000,000

So obviously there are some slackers in the force. lol

ps: works out at about $400 / person per year.....so yep its a traffic scam

[Winston001]

The trouble, IMHFO, is that the road toll is due to the poor standard of drivers (and riders) in this country. They drive too fast for the conditions (their own, their car, the road, the weather)

I agree although I'm not sure about the poor standard of drivers. I think we are average, normal. What we have are a lot of twisty roads and very powerful vehicles so that half a seconds inattention can result in tragedy.

As for enforcing speed limits - it is the simplest method to try and keep every driver within a tolerable survivable zone. In fact I suspect 80kph would be a more sensible speed and save more lives but politicians know the public won't stand for that.

Yes yes I know the autobahns of Europe have much higher speeds but they aren't exactly the Coro Loop. Ordinary roads have much lower speed limits.

[Banditbandit]

That's because the greatest improvement to our accident stats would be achieved by a widespread improvement in the general attitude of motorcyclists towards Motorcycling.

Especially those with 90 demerit points already

(Yeah .. not going to let you get away with that too easily ...)

[p.dath]

It has already been announced that there is going to be a shift towards more demerit points, and less fines.

The "revenue gathering" excuse is pretty tired.

[Katman]

Especially those with 90 demerit points already

(Yeah .. not going to let you get away with that too easily ...)

I did specifically say 'accident' stats though - not 'infringement' stats.

[Toaster]

Whoops, I'm only 1480 tickets short..

Performance managed much?!!

I got really peeved off when told that I had to issue them in the under 11km/h band despite meeting all other "output requirements". I thought the 20km/h+ band was at least reasonable and more justified.

If 61 in a 50 gets the same as 111 in a 100, then shouldn't a more fair approach allow 122 in a 100? Just a thought..... but hey 4km/h will no doubt become the new standard.

The local school here is often policed and there in NO toloerance at all. My neighbours and relatives in the area are getting done for 2 over the limit just by the 100km sign leaving or entering the village... ouch....

[MSTRS:Me]

I've long since given up picturing myself as a 'rebel' just because I ride a motorcycle and I'm sure there's many others that think the same way.

The 'inside job' doesn't have to be left up to the rebels.

I was a rebel for all of a year around about 1976, when I rode a grotty old Trumpy and wore dirty jeans...oh, and I was 18.
Fact is, tho, that motorcycling does attract a certain 'type'. They aren't the type to conform to sensible wisdom. Maybe if motorcycling becomes blanc mange, they will find some other means of exercising the rebel within? Or will eventually die out?

[Toaster]

It has already been announced that there is going to be a shift towards more demerit points, and less fines.

The "revenue gathering" excuse is pretty tired.

Agreed. It's just a vent for the disgruntled to make themselves feel better about the consequences of their own actions and shifting blame on anything but themselves. The rules, like em or not, are clear. We only have ourselves to blame for adding to the MP travel perk fund.

I would rather take that money and use it on a decent track day or advance skills course than some stupid ticket.

[Toaster]

Just as a ball park figure...
1500 tickets
11000 cops
Say $100 avg ticket
$1,650,000,000,000

So obviously there are some slackers in the force. lol

ps: works out at about $400 / person per year.....so yep its a traffic scam

Breaches of RUC would net upwards of $10k on a goody. The record is in seven figures.....