How does this fit with the BS "they" feed us on global warming?

[Winston001]

In that case, this debate is even more dishonest than ever. The ETS is the Emissions Trading Scheme, and it is based on carbon, that is not a pollutant.

I'm afraid it is. Pollution is a complex subject and difficult to describe for the general population. However one thing most pollution has in common is the release of inorganic and organic carbon. So the most simple approach to reducing pollution is to reduce carbon release.

Think of all of the motor vehicles operating in the world at the moment. Never mind ships, aeroplanes, tractors etc etc. The carbon from exhaust emissions is staggering. Industry world-wide produces much more including carbon gases such as methane which have a significant greenhouse effect.

I have alluded in previous discussions to the acidification of the ocean by absorption of carbon. Shellfish cannot form shells and coral reefs are dying. It is real and all we can do is try to limit the damage.

[Jantar]

....Think of all of the motor vehicles operating in the world at the moment. Never mind ships, aeroplanes, tractors etc etc. The carbon from exhaust emissions is staggering. Industry world-wide produces much more including carbon gases such as methane which have a significant greenhouse effect. ....

A different fallacy, but still a false claim. There are very few industries that release Methane (CH4), most actually burn Methane to release energy and in turn release CO2 and H2O. Our natural gas here in New Zealand is used 75% in generating electricity, 10% at methanex for conversion to menthanol, 10% for domestic heating and 5% for transport. The only emmisions are H2O and CO2. The "industries" that release methane are agriculture, and guess what? Agriculture is mere a method of harnessing nature. If animals weren't farmed they would still exist in the wild, and would still emit methane, just as we do every time we fart.

Oh well, I'll have to leave this discussion for now, as I'm off to a week long Hydrology conference with this year's theme concentrating on Climate Change.

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[Brian d marge]

nice and warm here

16 deg nice and sunny, Sposed to be middle of winter

One thing on a serious not the seasons HAVE shifted , its Autumn here , Winter will arrive but is a few weeks away yet

What ever will I do !

Stephen

[Woodman]

I think what will happen is that we humans being the intelligent beasties that we are will continue polluting the planet, whilst argueing about what constitutes pollution.

[puddytat]

I hope the powers to be, will after farting around for to fucking long at least hand out euthanasia tablets to make the coming catastropy a little more easier to handle for those that choose a quicker death rather than a prolonged descent into chaos & calamity....
Ive lost my faith in the species.
Money is the new faith.
Now wheres ma meds....

[ellipsis]

...a change is as good as a holiday...google image up Trantor...if thats where we're goin, thats where we will end up....catastophes etc being taken into account, on the way there!!!...better start breedin' tough boys and girls, kiddies...ride yer fuckin bikes..while you can...

[LBD]

nice and warm here

16 deg nice and sunny, Sposed to be middle of winter

One thing on a serious not the seasons HAVE shifted , its Autumn here , Winter will arrive but is a few weeks away yet

It's Fookin winter here, Clear sunny skys, howling wind, snow drifts and minus fookin 15C at mid day

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

All the planets in the Solar System are warming at present as the sun is going through one of its cycles... Dig deep enough on NASA website its there... but many other researches have come to the same conclusion. But they can't tax you on that... but search the web and the research is there...

The climate will always slowly change, it always has, and always will and there is nothing we puny humans can do about it...

• We have volcano's and volcanic activity around the planet spewing up more shit than humans ever have. When Krakatoa blew its top back in 1883 it put up more shit on one eruption than the entire human race has every don combined through out history. It's due again...
• The tectonic plates slowly shifting moving and drifting can and will slowly change weather pattern, as bigger land masses are formed and smaller ones disappear, Heck NZ is slowly stretching and will eventually disappear.
• The sun going through various stages...Solar blasts slowly strip atmospheres off planets and cause holes in natural the defense of the planet (magnetic and ozone)
• Ozone requires sunlight... what happens during the winter over the poles...
• Gases created by every living creature and decomposng organisum, on the planet, birds, elephanets and wild buffalo to decomposing compost.
• The is frozen methan slowly melting in the oceans, (admittly the vast deposits appear to be stable (phew) at present) but there are pockets slowly releasing the gas.
• Every creature that breaths oxgyen and breaths out CO2, they breath, fart and and make gas...
• Every warm blooded animal is creating heat while only a small fraction it is still heat and has to be added into any calculation.

The list simply goes on and on

The planet evolves, breaths or lives and goes through these cycles, it always has, and always will

[Winston001]

Very good NH - you've been reading the Russian scientist who attributes warming to solar activity. He has been answered but I can't be bothered finding the links.

Never mind all of that - what does the suns activity have to do with polluted rivers, air, and soil? We are causing that. And the core source......? Oil. For fuel, fertilisers, plastics, etc it's a wonderful product but we are careless in how we use it.

[Brown Bear]

You go Nighthawk,these wallies and there so called evidence is just trumped up by the powers that be.I totally agree with you but they will still trot out the same old bullshit even though it has more holes than a sieve.You can always count on a greenie to jump on global warming because it makes them feel important.Maybe they should have got more hugs as children.

[avgas]

Maybe they should have got more hugs as children.

Or a boot up the arse more often more likely

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Very good NH - you've been reading the Russian scientist who attributes warming to solar activity. He has been answered but I can't be bothered finding the links.

ummm not really I was taught that at school... fifth form if I remember correctly??? But also found the info on NASA's website which reminded me that hey I knew that... and like you I can't be bothered finding the links.

Never mind all of that - what does the suns activity have to do with polluted rivers, air, and soil? We are causing that. And the core source......? Oil. For fuel, fertilisers, plastics, etc it's a wonderful product but we are careless in how we use it.

Thats a different subject to the orginal topic

How does this fit with the BS "they" feed us on global warming?

But yes pollution we (humans in general) have casued does need to be looked at, and there are ways to reducing it... and companies that cause alot of it need to take responsability, as well as on a personal level.

Including recycling more, but the cost of recycling needs to be reduced before it becomes truly viable...

The trading schemes like Koyto and the ETS will do nothing but make those at the right end richer... it starts at home and teaching the generation that is coming home not to make the mistakes our generation have. The planet is on a very fine balance, and we as a population are a part of that, and we have to stay in balance... at present, we are out of whack...