Stabbed policeman left to die

**scissorhands** · 13th December 2010, 07:27

In Sweden and Denmark (light socialist countries) the crime rate is abysmally low!

When NZ policy emulated these socialist nations our crime rate was very low too!

Now its high because we emulate US policies!!!

Saudi Arabia is a barbaric, medieval kingdom. If countries were really invaded for human rights violations, rather than for oil and resources, it would be near the top of the list!

I would be beheaded and so would you!

**Dave Lobster** · 13th December 2010, 07:31

Originally Posted by terbang

Yeah yeah more CNN bullshit. You said Saudi, not Afghanistan . I live in Saudi, am a resident of Saudi and have even been to "chop chop square" the bottom line, they do obey their laws (note I said their laws not yours or your mates in afghanistan). And the point of my post was about their law and order, not their ideals which are certainly different to many western civilizations. I think you might need to go there, live there and actually meet a few Saudis before you can spout your views here about how they run their country.
snip - the sancimonious bullshit..

So, are you saying that the saudis don't fund the muslim schools where the terrorists are bred?
This'll be good..

**terbang** · 13th December 2010, 08:00

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

So, are you saying that the saudis don't fund the muslim schools where the terrorists are bred?
This'll be good..

Not at all, some of those "terrorists" liberated Afghanistan from the Russian and still take up the cause of the palestinian. Though some went astray and attacked americans.

Just in the same way that americans fund the schools that attacked a nation on the rumour of WMD to no real avail other than get control of the oil. But on the flipside they are also liberating Afghanistan from the tyrany of the Taliban (who just happen to be muslims).

It may come as a surprise to you sir that there are generally two sides to a story, not just the CNN version...

**Dave Lobster** · 13th December 2010, 08:06

No need to call me sir, I work for a living.

The 'mercins aren't funding terrorist/hate training schools, world wide. The saudis are.
What other side is there to that?

(I've never watched CNN)

**Scuba_Steve** · 13th December 2010, 08:12

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

No need to call me sir, I work for a living.

The 'mercins aren't funding terrorist/hate training schools, world wide. The saudis are.
What other side is there to that?

(I've never watched CNN)

Nope but the " 'mercins" did fund the Taliban & a few other "terrorist" groups worldwide. Tho it could be said their own school system is somewhat of a training school as your taught to love your country at all costs & follow 'Uncle Sam' blindly without question lest you be non-patriotic so they to are conditioned.

**terbang** · 13th December 2010, 08:13

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

What other side is there to that?

The side that your blinkers will not allow you to see...

**Dave Lobster** · 13th December 2010, 08:22

Originally Posted by terbang

The side that your blinkers will not allow you to see...

Enlighten then.. I'm struggling to see the good side to any foreign state funded school anywhere. Especially one that preaches religion/hate.

**avgas** · 13th December 2010, 08:22

Originally Posted by terbang

oh my father was never there, he's in jail and my mums in rehab and auntie tried to look after us between customers

boohoo
they can cry me a river.
Anyone whom does not live their own life - deserves no time of mine.

This includes those whom cry Waitangi, WWIIism or even broken home syndrome.
Why should I give a fuck about your problems? I have my own thank you very much.

**imdying** · 13th December 2010, 08:27

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

The 'mercins aren't funding terrorist/hate training schools, world wide. The saudis are.

One reason the Americans are having a hard time kicking the Talibans arse is because they paid their top guys to train them in the first place. The USA is indeed one of the largest funders of terrorist groups, the only thing is they're called rebels; it won't be for a few years before those particular groups are renamed terrorists.

**Grubber** · 13th December 2010, 08:38

Originally Posted by JimO

perhaps next time these two are out and about they give your grandad a beating cos he also smells a bit like a arsole, would that be ok with you??

I was actually talkin about Crazy Steve. I'm not quite that stupid yet.... shush now!

**freedom-wedge** · 13th December 2010, 08:40

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

It's not just one generation, it's at least two.

It is now cool to be generally scum, look at all the shit that is on the telly.
Had a mate come over from oz and he could believe the low morals on the tv at the moment.

Its about time we went the way of the states, pull everyone out and handcuff them then find out what the story is. Oh at gunpoint as well.

Apply that to you for a routine traffic matter, on your own street, bent over the bonnet of a car, with everyone who knows you looking on, and wondering whats going on and what sort of person you really are for that to be happening. you might forgive them once but lets says your a dodgy looking fella and and your cuffed at gunpoint again becuase you disagree that your tyre dosnt have enough tread, you will loose respect for em, Those fuckheads taking to that copper are nothing more than scum probably bread from scum, he should of got some help before he pulled them over I think, regardless its a hearts and minds war out there for the police and their loosing it by their own actions on occasions as well as incidents like this.

No to them conducting investigations at gun point, its only going to go bad from there on in.

**terbang** · 13th December 2010, 08:56

Back to the thread, watching breakfast (yeah I know tragic, but I'm off work and bored) and there is an almost overwhelming opinion that police should be armed. There was some rather excited police association spokesman being interviewed, who was almost frothing at the mouth with his enthusiasm for it. Though I note John Key is wisely being cautious there.

I guess all of us harbour some sort of view that if our two "boys" had turned up with a bullet between their eyes, then it would be a timely reminder of the consequence of attacking a cop. Not to mention the removal of a certain kind from the gene pool.

However for the public to have accepted that, the cop would still have to be all beaten up to prove that he did it as a last resort to save his arse.

Chatting to my mate who was an LA cop and he still reckons our cops should remain unarmed. He admires NZ police for having the fortitude to deal with crims in a different way other than "shoot em up just in case". His view is that if someone wants to kill a cop, they will do it and will do it with the surprise that will not give the cop a chance to draw his weapon. And if someone is confronting a cop with a gun, then he is unlikely to really want to kill him and well trained negotiation skills will turn things around. His view is that the crims always get bigger guns than the cops and are less scrupulous about how they use them. It becomes a spiral.

Coming from a guy who was armed and policed a notoriously tough part of the world for 20 years, its worth listening to.

Strangely enough, in the US the cops do shoot crims and they do have the death penalty and they do chuck a lot into jail for a long time as well. And yet they still have some terrible crime stats.
So whats the answer..? More respect in the society perhaps?

**oldrider** · 13th December 2010, 09:06

Originally Posted by terbang

More respect in the society perhaps?

If the crims (our kids) have no "self" respect, how can we expect them to respect anyone else's rights!

Children beg us to set clear boundaries for them but when they test them there is no consequence!

How the fuck can they learn from the crap examples set by their so called teachers and leaders?

I.E. The people they look to to teach them self respect!

**Genestho** · 13th December 2010, 09:09

Originally Posted by terbang

So whats the answer..? More respect in the society perhaps?

Respect is part of it, alot is down to parenting, being too busy or too slack to earn the right to be one.

Respect doesn't come out of a pretty box, it is taught by parents and extended family, not teachers as some would seem to think.

Being available, being home with kids, cultivating that relationship - teaching the basics, manners, common courtesy, teaching them to take responsibility for actions, to be aware of consequences, enforcing consequences at home and staying on top of it!