The firearm thread

**The Pastor** · 19th December 2010, 08:49

Originally Posted by Expert

Oh yeah, and what qualifies you to be a renegade master??
That is actually a qualification you've earned and isn't self proclaimed?
You lot really are sad.
Perhaps you'd like to be called renegade master of homosexuallity?

Yeah, i mastered homosexuality, your father taught me.

**Wolf** · 19th December 2010, 09:59

Originally Posted by jono035

RM: That photo's a bit old, he's clean shaven now, isn't he?

I never look clean-shaven, not even just after I've shaved.

**scumdog** · 19th December 2010, 10:09

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

I know someone who had his sergeant take 4 shots from a 9mm sub machine gun at ~15m range which were stopped by a great coat.

They all said "fuck off you lying prick"

So he went inside got his 9mm, got a woolen pussers blanket, hosed it down and hung it on the line and emptied a magazine in to it.

The rounds did not go through.

A lot of 9mm stuff is pretty weak - espacially older stuff.

**nseagoon** · 19th December 2010, 11:58

I can confidently say that if you shoot at a wet blanket (hanging) with a dragunov at less than 50 metres the bullet wont penetrate. of course that doesn't mean to say if someone wrapped said blanket around themselves and a .22 was shot at it at 50m I'd say it would penetrate.
but I'd rather speculate and not find out for myself

**Mr Merde** · 19th December 2010, 13:53

Oh Goodness, I've been offline for 24 hours and all hell has broken loose.

An old chestnut being discussed. Penetration and firepower.

In the American Civil War the most feared wound was fron the humble .22 ,designed by Messrs Smith and Wesson in 1850 and chambered in their revolvers the #1 and the #1 1/2. Not because of the initial damage but because it would move around inside the body due to deflection etc. This made probing for the bullet almost impossible. The .22 is an outside lubricated bullet and picks up masses of grit and dirt in the lube. The wounds with these rounds usually becaqme infected and the person died of infection. The standard .58 calibre ball made a horrendous wound but could be easily probed for and removed.

In fact if you look at the history of the West and the gunfighters, a very large % of them died days after being shot, mostly from infection from outside lubricated bullets.

President Sakarno of Indonesia, in the 60's and 70's had a rifle bullet lodged behind his eyes after being shot by the Japanese during WW2. He lived with this till he died of old age decades afterwards.

Cole Younger of Jesse James fame, survived being shot 11 times by soft lead bullets during the northfield minnesota raid. Ronald Regan survived being shot with a .22 revolver from close distance. The Chinese use the .22 short as a method of execution.

Everything is subjective. I've seen people shot with a single bullet from a .308 and killed instantly and others who have had to have at least another round to stop them. Seen the photos of someone who put a revolver to their head, the barrel was at an angle so the bullet went between skull and skin , followed the skull around and came out the other side without killing the attempted suicide.

As to RM being a shirt lifting brown dirt cowboy I can attest that he isnt but a lot of his boyfriends are.

Merde

**Wolf** · 19th December 2010, 14:36

Originally Posted by nseagoon

I can confidently say that if you shoot at a wet blanket (hanging) with a dragunov at less than 50 metres the bullet wont penetrate. of course that doesn't mean to say if someone wrapped said blanket around themselves and a .22 was shot at it at 50m I'd say it would penetrate.
but I'd rather speculate and not find out for myself

Anyone got a supply of old blankets and some tailor's dummies or store-window mannequins they don't need? We could also shoot a couple of "heavy jackets" with a variety of rounds at different ranges. Too bad the Onewhero site's no longer available.

It could be something to do at the new range when it's operational - in all seriousness: make some "educational videos" of what common calibres are capable of: similar to that vid we watched with them Shootin' The Fuck Outta Shit With Military Weapons, but geared towards calibres likely to be encountered by the average hunter - small or big game - with a few pistol calibres thrown in for good measure.

If we did a good enough job, we could possibly get it screened on TV.

EDIT: We could also include a section on how self-loading firearms (full- and semi-automatic) work for the benefit of any retards who don't understand the laws of physics, as well. With a special emphasis on Newton's Third Law...

**Mr Merde** · 19th December 2010, 15:02

The video we watched was titled

"Deadly Weapons"

It wpould be great to be able to recreate it with a selection of modern firearms but it would take a fair bit of organising and planning.

personelle, targets, firearms, camera equipment etc.

We wouldnt be allowed to regreate the full auto segments of the video i'm guessing nor the bullet proof clothing segment.

**Wolf** · 19th December 2010, 15:27

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

The video we watched was titled

"Deadly Weapons"

It wpould be great to be able to recreate it with a selection of modern firearms but it would take a fair bit of organising and planning.

personelle, targets, firearms, camera equipment etc.

We wouldnt be allowed to regreate the full auto segments of the video i'm guessing nor the bullet proof clothing segment.

I was thinking more like regular hunting weapons from .22lr up vs wet and dry swandris, heavy jackets, blankets and walls such as you might find in the average house or hunter's shack, possibly an old car - something geared more towards the average kiwi hunter/tramper. Half myth-busters (wet blanket on a line), half Deadly Weapons.

No need to actually demonstrate the firepower of full auto. But it'd be nice to actually put in an explanation of how a self-loader works since there's obviously a segment of society that thinks the action of a semi-auto rifle robs vast amounts power from the bullet and makes the projectile less likely to penetrate.

Apparently, to the unschooled, it's amazing that a self-loading .22 can penetrate the skin of a tomato at 10 yards.

**The Pastor** · 19th December 2010, 16:32

is it a bad idea to oil bolts?

**Swoop** · 19th December 2010, 17:17

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

If one commits suicide by swallowing the sharp end of a rifle, in what direction are they pointing it if they go through the tongue?

In the case mentioned, the rifle was placed under the chin. Go a short way up from the top of the Adams apple and fire towards the back of the eyes.

**scumdog** · 19th December 2010, 17:19

Originally Posted by renegade master

is it a bad idea to oil bolts?

A light wipe is all they need.

**Drunken Monkey** · 19th December 2010, 19:44

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

The video we watched was titled

"Deadly Weapons"

It wpould be great to be able to recreate it with a selection of modern firearms but it would take a fair bit of organising and planning.

personelle, targets, firearms, camera equipment etc.

We wouldnt be allowed to regreate the full auto segments of the video i'm guessing nor the bullet proof clothing segment.

Obviously we all have access to various firearms. I've got a couple of video cameras, and can borrow one of broadcast quality if you want it to look really flash.

You know that site "will it blend?" where the guy will stuff whatever the viewers want into his blender and video it just for laugh - well the other week I was thinking of doing something similar but with a clay thrower. Can't think of a good name though, "will it fly like a clay pigeon" just doesn't have a good ring to it. We could throw a few CDs, plates, hard disk drives, etc.. post 'em up on youtube and take requests for the next outing...

**Drunken Monkey** · 19th December 2010, 19:48

Originally Posted by Wolf

Apparently, to the unschooled, it's amazing that a self-loading .22 can penetrate the skin of a tomato at 10 yards.

Speaking of .22's going through stuff and hard drives, .22LR subsonics can go clean through laptop hard drives at 30 meters. That's a flimsy alloy cover, a thin metal disc of some description, then a less flimsy alloy frame then finally through a PCB.

I'll post a pic tomorrow when I'm back in the office.

(and no, for the record it was not me who performed this act)

**Wolf** · 19th December 2010, 20:13

Originally Posted by Drunken Monkey

Speaking of .22's going through stuff and hard drives, .22LR subsonics can go clean through laptop hard drives at 30 meters.

...

(and no, for the record it was not me who performed this act)

Wouldn't blame you if it was - I'm a professional geek and over the years I've encountered a number of hard drives just askin' to be used for "ballistic testing"...

... the one that crashed and lost a significant chunk of my data, for a start. (And while we're on that topic, the ZIP drive I was using for my data backups at the time could also be used for a bit of ballistic testing as well)