Is John a spineless pussy or what?

[pete376403]

Interesting stories about John Key, Elders Finance, and Andrew Krieger and the NZ dollar.

On the Standard website, so without a doubt, leftwing gutter press.

http://thestandard.org.nz/the-road-t...street-part-1/ (you need to read the whole thing, including the comments)

Circumstantial, but people have been hanged on less evidence...

[Smifffy]

that they're socialist scum and are foolishly putting the needs of their people ahead of commerce... bloody idiots...



According to wikiwotsit that's not it... (Norway 2.7% November 2010, cool site with lots of info too)

Perhaps the people realise that a "decent" society requires everyone in the country to be "looked after"...

I agree, and it may just come down to what one considers to be the definition of "looked after".

I'm not exactly sure why would want to look after a foreign national, who has been granted permanent residency, on the basis of emplyment he no longer holds, although he does now hold a criminal record for two drug related convictions and has been drawing a sickness benefit for the last 18 months or so.

Nor do I see why we need to buy tyres for chryslers, or a fence for a swimming pool at "one of a beneficiary's properties"

Some people need to be "looked after" using Vito Corleone's definition....

[Brian d marge]

Interesting stories about John Key, Elders Finance, and Andrew Krieger and the NZ dollar.

On the Standard website, so without a doubt, leftwing gutter press.

http://thestandard.org.nz/the-road-t...street-part-1/ (you need to read the whole thing, including the comments)

Circumstantial, but people have been hanged on less evidence...

Ive written about that many times , I cannot account for about 3 months of JK time and Andy Krieger caused a lot of pain in NZ

Strange how there is no evidence ?? no stock trade reports , no telephone logs , no employer contracts ,,,, no witnesses ,,,and no word from Andy Krieger himself

Stephen

[mashman]

I agree, and it may just come down to what one considers to be the definition of "looked after".

I'm not exactly sure why would want to look after a foreign national, who has been granted permanent residency, on the basis of emplyment he no longer holds, although he does now hold a criminal record for two drug related convictions and has been drawing a sickness benefit for the last 18 months or so.

Nor do I see why we need to buy tyres for chryslers, or a fence for a swimming pool at "one of a beneficiary's properties"

Some people need to be "looked after" using Vito Corleone's definition....

... I guess they take it in their stride. Useless fuckwits, better being useless fuckwits at minimum cost i guess... Perhaps we should ask the govt for some funding and we can go find out

[Smifffy]

"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

If you want the bond rate to stay the same, put in place laws and rules that make NZ look attractive

But don't complain when you pay for school fees , get a speeding ticket or pay for a check up ....Acc ..WOF Rego .....( wonder how many services we use on a daily basil that are affected by user pays?)

the only people that will suffer are the poor , ( think that you are ok , ??? one wee cock up can make us poor as quick as look at ya ,, 350 000 worth of house , been paying for 10 years all good,,,,, then fall off bike, cant work , on the sickness benifit , Washing machine packs a sad given money , comes out of sickness benefit ...)


the way I see thing , don't use bank (cheap) credit , use family first.

buy local, avoid the middle man

vote for anything that has half a social concern

avoid people who think economic theory will be the key, ( still waiting for some

think to trickle down ? I am!!)

say no to money making laws, such as tougher speed limits ( 4kmph limits etc )

Work hard, tighten the belt . Save the money ( then spend it on a bike)


Stephen

User pays is ok, as long as all users pay equally. I object when I pay and don't get to use, or pay twice, use once, and the next guy doesn't pay at all, or worse I pay for him too.

If I hurt my hand at work, all of us in the workforce, and our employers pay. Sweet.

If I hurt my hand doing something silly on my motorcycle, or in my cage, then I and all of the other registered vehicle owners pay. Sweet.

If I hurt my hand while playing rugby, or at karate, or while gardening or fishing, then all of the workforce, their employers and registered vehicle owners pay. Not so sweet for them.

If someone using an unregistered vehicle hurts their hand, then all of us registered vehicle owners pay. Not so sweet for us there either.

[Smifffy]

... I guess they take it in their stride. Useless fuckwits, better being useless fuckwits at minimum cost i guess... Perhaps we should ask the govt for some funding and we can go find out

IMO the foreign national with the convictions and the long term illness precluding him from work (whom I know personally) should have his residency revoked and be on the next plane back to the former republic.

I'd be happy for TPTB to give him a time frame to find himself some employment and have his benefit topped up to a live-able value once found

[Brian d marge]

User pays is ok, as long as all users pay equally. I object when I pay and don't get to use, or pay twice, use once, and the next guy doesn't pay at all, or worse I pay for him too.

If I hurt my hand at work, all of us in the workforce, and our employers pay. Sweet.

If I hurt my hand doing something silly on my motorcycle, or in my cage, then I and all of the other registered vehicle owners pay. Sweet.

If I hurt my hand while playing rugby, or at karate, or while gardening or fishing, then all of the workforce, their employers and registered vehicle owners pay. Not so sweet for them.

If someone using an unregistered vehicle hurts their hand, then all of us registered vehicle owners pay. Not so sweet for us there either.

Sorry cant see what you are saying , I prefer a community approach such as ACC , never have been a fan of user pays because as a community we grow , as individuals , its hard work

and most people obey the rules , probably that 80/20 figure again!

Stephen

[Ocean1]

Which ever party lowers personal tax, as well as corporate taxes rates, is the winner in the, which political is economically strangling NZ, competition.

You're missing an important point.

These taxes you're trying to decide the size of... Who's fucking money is it?

[shrub]

That presumably means reducing our reliance on agriculture in general, since all types are likely to suffer from drought or flooding at the same time. Except perhaps, I guess, longer term crops like forestry, which are probably a bit more robust.

Richard

We need to diversify into a wide range of sectors, and technology is the logical field. We have a well educated population, good tertiary institutions and sound infrastructure, so are ideally suited to moving into the high-tech field. Or we can continue to sell cheap milk powder to China and have jet lagged tourists carted around in tour buses.

[mashman]

You're missing an important point.

These taxes you're trying to decide the size of... Who's fucking money is it?

As i'm missing the point, you best tell me

[oldrider]

Muldoon's think big was conservative?

"What"! Look back now and it hardly registers a ripple, worst socialist prime minister this country ever had!

David Langey was another great comedian / orator but useless socialist prime minister!

IMHO they were both bloody useless!

[Ocean1]

As i'm missing the point, you best tell me

Mostly mine as it happens.

And seein' as how you asked real nice, no you fucking can't have any more.



Bunch of grasping pricks.

[Smifffy]

Sorry cant see what you are saying , I prefer a community approach such as ACC , never have been a fan of user pays because as a community we grow , as individuals , its hard work

and most people obey the rules , probably that 80/20 figure again!

Stephen

I agree, and ACC is neither a community approach, nor user pays really. That's my point. I think the split is greater than 80/20, and the ones who don't obey the rules think that's just fine, and it appears that TPTB agree with them.

How about this for a start:

If you are in an unregistered vehicle and have an accident, you are not expected to pay for your own treatment, as that would be patently unfair.

However you should be expected to pay the usual fine for no rego, and you should also be expected to pay the cost of registering the vehicle from the time it was last registered to the the time of the accident.

Even this would not come close to providing the same contribution as those who have paid all the way through (unless maybe you tacked on interest & inflation too - but I wouldn't I'm not that much of a baby-eating ogre), but somehow it would also be seen as unfair to the driver of the unregoed vehicle I'm sure.

Anybody know what the ACC levy is for jetskis btw?

[mashman]

IMO the foreign national with the convictions and the long term illness precluding him from work (whom I know personally) should have his residency revoked and be on the next plane back to the former republic.

I'd be happy for TPTB to give him a time frame to find himself some employment and have his benefit topped up to a live-able value once found

If the foreign national is legally here then he has a "right" to the same deal as anyone else in the same position. Not ideal I grant you, but the alternative goes against my view of society I guess... there will be people who can't earn, there will be those that "bludge"... the flip side is more abhorrent to me, because there are those with money who will happily "dodge" the tax responsibilities, just because they can... The tax dodgers do more damage to society than your foreign national friend.

[Smifffy]

Muldoon's think big was conservative?

How would y'all be powering your AC units and latte machines now, if it weren't for them?

It's not like anybody else ever since has invested anything into the infrastructure required to build an economy.

The most valuable projects prior to that was the pine plantations of the great depression, the benefits of which the country is still reaping, albeit at a much reduced rate.