Should Phil Goff resign?

**Spearfish** · 9th April 2011, 17:48

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**Smifffy** · 9th April 2011, 18:18

Originally Posted by shrub

Yeah, the good old days of FPP were the best! Remember Rob Muldoon? He once said that he could have an idea while he was shaving and it would be law by lunchtime. Would never happen under MMP.

The MMP referendum was crafted very cleverly by the supporters of MMP. They effectively split the vote on the proportional representation side, by also including retaining FPP as an option.

STV IMO is the better option.

Come to think of it even if there was a perfect system out there, our politicians would still fuck it up.

**SPman** · 9th April 2011, 19:19

Originally Posted by Spearfish

poly ticks aye?

Its MMP that's holding NZ back.

Unlike, say, the USA, where all is sweetness and light.......

**JimO** · 9th April 2011, 19:45

remember the guy Shirtcliffe?? who ranted on about how bad mmp was?? i reckon he was the reason that it got in, people were sick of him

**ellipsis** · 9th April 2011, 20:29

...the only thing holding NZ back is the non thinking voter...and the fuckwits that dont...fucking simple...

**JimO** · 9th April 2011, 20:37

Originally Posted by CAMSec

...the only thing holding NZ back is the non thinking voter...and the fuckwits that dont...fucking simple...

and the ones who vote for the maori/green/ act partys to much tail wagging dog going on imho

**Spearfish** · 9th April 2011, 21:16

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**Winston001** · 9th April 2011, 21:19

The only thing holding NZ back...is not being homogeneous. We can't agree with each other about anything.

Grumble grumble mumblef...

**ellipsis** · 9th April 2011, 21:20

...all of the above...

**shrub** · 10th April 2011, 09:23

Originally Posted by CAMSec

...the only thing holding NZ back is the non thinking voter...and the fuckwits that dont...fucking simple...

Very true, but I would add that what is holding NZ back is the people who blame everyone else for their problems - rich people having too much, beneficiaries bludging my hard earned taxes, Labour for wasting money, National for lacking ideas, the Greens for being luddites who hate business, Maori for being lazy, Asians for driving badly etc etc etc.....

My life is good and getting better, and it was good and getting better under Labour. Sometimes i hit rocky patches and shit happens, but when that happens I have learned that complaining and blaming National, Labour or the prick down the road with the ugly SUV is pointless because they ain't gonna change what they're doing to look after me. The current government are halfwits and have no idea bout how to help business, just like the last lot, and probably like the next lot, so I look at the rules and the playing field and shape what I do to suit.

How well I do has nothing to do with who's in government and everything to do with what's in my head.

**oldrider** · 10th April 2011, 09:30

Originally Posted by Smifffy

The MMP referendum was crafted very cleverly by the supporters of MMP. They effectively split the vote on the proportional representation side, by also including retaining FPP as an option.

STV IMO is the better option.

Come to think of it even if there was a perfect system out there, our politicians would still fuck it up.

1) Right on the button!

2) Fools names and fools faces mostly seen in public places!