MNZ board nominations

[BJT666]

Earlier on this thread 'Kickaha' commented about members of the public liking 'Sidecars'.

I believe this to be one of the best statements Kickaha has made, a great number of the paying public come to see sidecars and this season went away disappointed at 3 of the 5 rounds.

I am however puzzled as to why this is MY fault.

MNZ and it's hard working Road Race Clubs included sidecars as a class on their entry forms. unfortunately too few sidecars entered for three of the Clubs to proceed with the class.

So from where I sit, the Clubs offered the events for sidecars to race at but nobody came.

BJT666 Jim Tuckerman

[Shaun]

This is quality entertainment!

Dam, we agree on some thing other than a GSXR 750 being the best road bike

[Shaun]

Earlier on this thread 'Kickaha' commented about members of the public liking 'Sidecars'.

I believe this to be one of the best statements Kickaha has made, a great number of the paying public come to see sidecars and this season went away disappointed at 3 of the 5 rounds.

I am however puzzled as to why this is MY fault.

MNZ and it's hard working Road Race Clubs included sidecars as a class on their entry forms. unfortunately too few sidecars entered for three of the Clubs to proceed with the class.

So from where I sit, the Clubs offered the events for sidecars to race at but nobody came.

BJT666 Jim Tuckerman

Hope you a few spare hours/years to deal with this place Jim

[jellywrestler]

BUMP
Originally Posted by racer40
Chris here to answer some of your questions.
I do believe the Nationals need a revamp as the grids are poor at the moment...


hey chris,
good to see ya here an answering.
What is YOUR view on a format for the Road racing nationals then?

[wharfy]

Good Evening All,

I have been watching but resisting the temptation to post.

I was at the AGM Kevin, I remember your question, which from memory was answered by Life member Errol Conaghan.

You appeared satisfied at the time. Exactly what if anything would you like to add.

My first question was " was there a process to remove the CEO position ?"

Having been the subject of a number of "re-structures" I was acutely aware how unpleasant it is for those being re-structured and was after some assurance that there was a proper process in place and that it was followed. While the main motive was to be assured that there was minimum amount of trauma for those involved I was also concerned that if a proper process was not followed MNZ could face a potentially embarrassing and expensive legal battle (my motives were not entirely altruistic).

Mr Conaghan's reply was simply that the board of MNZ was authorized to "manage the employment". Which didn't actually answer the question.

I then asked "had there been a process for establishing the position of CEO ?" but nobody seemed to know the answer to that. (I notice it is not recorded in the minutes).

I was far from satisfied, however the motion was moved, seconded and carried and I would not have raised it again except that the mysterious "Pat the watchman" (or his informant as he wasn't even there) seemed to think that asking questions at the AGM amounted to "making a dick of yourself".

All this is of course "off the topic" of this thread so to get back "on topic" I do have a serious question for you.

In your election flier asking for my vote you state that you have several projects that you would like to complete.

Would you please give us some details of exactly what those projects are and how they will benefit the MNZ members ?

Kevin Waugh

[sidecar bob]

Hi Jim, & thanks for putting in an appearance.
You say you are unsure of how a lack of sidecars is your fault.
Here is a copy of an earlier post i made in this thread.
My understanding of the situation was as follows.
If this is not in fact the case, could you please outline the correct series of events to set the record straight.
Regards,
Steve.

There seems to be a serious lapse in peoples memorys as to why its all turned to crap in the last couple of years for chairs & people seem to be pointing the finger at Chris Lawrence, which has got me stumped.
My memory of it is great because I lost over a grand in the process, let me give my recollections of the situation.
An overwhelming majority vote from the NZSRA (then an affiliated club of MNZ) voted in favour of doing two national rounds in the south Isl as had been the norm for many years.
Consequently tickets were purchased for air travel to & from, then for some reason, a senior member of MNZ stood up & said, three rounds down south for sidecars, or you dont qualify for a national championship, completely ignoring the wishes of the majority vote.
Being unable to comit to three rounds down south, along with a number of other teams, we pulled out, (losing our airfares & all) which made doing any other rounds a bit of a mute point because missing rounds, well, i hardly need to explain that one.
The same situation arose again this year & everybody couldnt be arsed with the politics & rubbish, prefering instead, to take advantage of a meeting we were offered to attend in Australia, which was a blast.
Instead of pointing the finger at Chris for ruining the nationals for chairs, look instead to the member from MNZ that wouldnt take any notice of the wishes of the majority of members of the NZSRA, & forced his own agenda on the members, with predictable results.
So Shaun, if you want to know why chair numbers were non existant, go & ask Jim, in sure he can can give you a detailed explination as to why he went against the majority vote.

[CHOPPA]

I have found Jim T to be very approachable and has been very helpful so thats where my vote will go but Chris seems like a good guy and a racer himself but I dont really know what the position im voting them in for is?

Its for the president but what is the actual duties for the president and how much power do they have to make decisions and changes?

[BJT666]

Hi Jim, & thanks for putting in an appearance.
You say you are unsure of how a lack of sidecars is your fault.
Here is a copy of an earlier post i made in this thread.
My understanding of the situation was as follows.
If this is not in fact the case, could you please outline the correct series of events to set the record straight.
Regards,
Steve.

Morning Steve,
Thank you for digging out your previous post.

I have come late to this threat as I have been a little busy lately with Road Race Championships, Motocross Championships, Board and Commissioner meetings.

I was approached at Manfeild regarding a possible meeting, I agreed to prepare a short note on the timeline regarding the Sidecar Championship.

I am hoping to complete that today and will post it here on "KB"

BJT666 - JimTuckerman.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I have been a little busy lately with Road Race Championships, Motocross Championships, Board and Commissioner meetings.

Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing?

[White trash]

Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing?

Hey can you post the full size pic of your avatar mate? Looks like an interesting shot but can't see the details with me dodgy eyes.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hey can you post the full size pic of your avatar mate? Looks like an interesting shot but can't see the details with me dodgy eyes.

It's in my profile pics if ya want a gander. It's Pete Richardson on his ZZR600, and me on my first KR1S at Manfeild circa 1990.

[Kevin G]

Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing?

Hi.
Just out of interest how many people assume or believe this is a paid job. I have heard many people say the job should be done better, want more delivered, want more communication etc etc.
The President and all the Board and Commission members are all volunteers so they do this for free and usually at a cost to their own businesses, jobs, family and their own motorcycling. We do this trying our best to move the sport and MNZ forward, I know our best may not be enough for everyone but believe me as a team we try our best and put all we can afford to (re time) into this. Sometimes things do take too long especially around the Christmas and the National series time as we are all busy either doing it or helping at them.

I wrote this as I had a conversation with some well informed and very involved club officers recently that truly believed the job was paid and as such had completely different expectations as a result which was understandable.

I am not really defending any action or inaction merely trying to clarify how it is.

Kevin Goddard

[sidecar bob]

Hi.
Just out of interest how many people assume or believe this is a paid job. I have heard many people say the job should be done better, want more delivered, want more communication etc etc.
The President and all the Board and Commission members are all volunteers so they do this for free and usually at a cost to their own businesses, jobs, family and their own motorcycling. We do this trying our best to move the sport and MNZ forward, I know our best may not be enough for everyone but believe me as a team we try our best and put all we can afford to (re time) into this. Sometimes things do take too long especially around the Christmas and the National series time as we are all busy either doing it or helping at them.

I wrote this as I had a conversation with some well informed and very involved club officers recently that truly believed the job was paid and as such had completely different expectations as a result which was understandable.

I am not really defending any action or inaction merely trying to clarify how it is.

Kevin Goddard

While it may not be a paid position, i understand it is an all expenses paid position.
To this end, I understand that at least one senior "volunteer" of MNZ has on occasions travelled internationally in the airline's first class section while on MNZ business.
Can you or any other forum user confirm if this is indeed the case?

[scrivy]

The code of conduct process does not have an appeals process other than going to the sports tribunal (rule 7.4.1). The probation was an outcome from an incident and the outcomes for any breach were clear for all parties involved.

MNZ have unfortunately set a precident here Kevin.
Can you explain what part of the Code of Conduct rule Bryce infringed please.
If you choose to use this rule, rather than a MNZ manual rule, then it subsequently gives the power solely to MNZ with NO hearing, NO appeal, and NO recourse for the defendant, other than as you say, the Sports Tribunal.
Gee, that's alot easier than using the rulebook then, no protesting, no appeals, no hearings, no comeback!! You can pick on anyone you see fit to, and members can do jack shit about it!
That is so one sided Kevin that I don't believe it even abides to MNZs mission statement of being 'Fun, Safe and Fair'.
Can you please provide me the minutes of the Board meeting where this was discussed by the Board, and the outcome that was determined by the Board. You know my e-mail address. Please don't make me wait for 7 1/2 weeks again for correspondence, as JT did when providing me with last years Board meeting minutes.

If the Board were so adamant that Bryce was to be penalised by his supposed massive breach of the Code of Conduct rule (even without obtaining his explanation of the events), then why did the MNZ Board absolutely ignore 100% a police complaint against JT for an assault he made against an MNZ members family member? This is clearly stated as a breach of the code of conduct rule. Also, what was the Board's outcome on the Code of Conduct charge laid against JT by an MNZ member due to the above incident?
There certainly seems to me to be double standards by the Board and the current President. Transparency is what is asked for by MNZ members, but currently we are just treated like mushrooms.

I await your reply.

Scrivy

[Crasherfromwayback]

, then why did the MNZ Board absolutely ignore 100% a police complaint against JT for an assault he made against an MNZ members family member?

Why am I not surprised to read this? I'm even more surprised bully boy Errol Conaghan wasn't involved too. I'm so glad to be racing vintage moto-x now, which is so laid back and hassle free as compared to anything to do with mnz. Especially the road race side of it.

Pete McDonald ex MNZ licence holder #1254