MNZ board nominations

[scrivy]

With my experience at running events.

So that would be your experience in running the TRRS, would it.
That is correct. Fact.

One event and you are bagging people with a combined experience of over a 100years. Some have run more events than you have years of experience.
Angry rants again Jim, and whats more, unfactual.
Can you please show me where I am bagging these people in my post above?? All I stated was that expressions by individuals do not follow through to results. That's all. Don't try to imply I said anything other than that!

Based on this criteria, firstly neither yourself or Chris Lawrance could attend as neither of you have done the nationals for a number of years.
It would only allow 6 sidecar riders to attend, if they were interested
[/QUOTE]

Have I said I'm disappointed with the Nats? I'm having my fun at lots of meetings. I have been there done that, I don't need a medallion to race Jim. I have a different interest in going fast - to enjoy myself doing it.
But read my last post above - it should be Nats willing/intending..........

[BJT666]

And you still havent answered my post as to why you caused that to happen.
There were 21 sidecars at the (entry fees for sidecars paid by Taupo Plastics, director Andy Scrivener) nationals a couple of years earlier, your apparent interference reduced that to 6.

And you suspended / revoked Chrises licence last year, so once again, dont blame Chris for not being there.

Steve,
I notice when asked by Marcus to qualify your statement, you were going to get Chris to answer him so you didn't get it wrong.

Personally, I believe you need to contact your source and ask him, why he is telling lies.

I will endevour to answer Marcus's question:

Motorcycling New Zealand was advised that Mr Chris Lawrance was about to undergo major surgery (Kidney replacement). After doing some investigation, it became apparent that his condition could effect his ability to ride. Therefore under it's 'Duty of Care', MNZ put a hold on Mr Lawrance's licence and advised him he would need to supply a "Medical Certificate" before his licence would be released.

Mr Lawrance's licence was not suspended or revoked.

Mr Lawrance subsequently supplied a "Medical Certificate" and his licence was released.

[BJT666]

Absolutely agree with you Scott. As I have mentioned way way way earlier, there are not enough club riders making the step up. Maybe I should re-phrase my previous post to 'Nats willing or intending' ?

Scrivy

Morning,

The only problem with that Scrivy, as you have already identified, our 'Sport' is full of "Gunnas" (I am going to do this, I am going to do that). But when it comes down to close of entries, after the Club/MNZ etc have committed to the event, they are simply not there.

[Kevin G]

Hi Ian,

You say it's not scientific, and I agree.
75% want 5 rounds?
So how many Nats riders voted on your poll? And also, how many Nats riders frequent KB or your site?

With my experience at running events, we had 30 expressions of interest from people wanting to race in a F3 endurance race at the TRRS years back. That transpired to only 8 bikes entered, (3 which were SV650's). The junior race was then canned.

I think the smartest words written on this topic to date are from Chris, where he states that a meeting must be held after conference to gauge peoples opinions of what is to happen re the Nats. Every year this is mentioned, but never happened. Now is clearly the time for this to happen. One man cannot make the decissions alone, we all know that. Only Nats riders should be able to express their opinions also, as blowhards etc don't forkout their hard earned money on the series, or machinery.

Scrivy

Hi.
We put a riders forum together this year at the conference for riders to attend to discuss what they want and the direction they prefer.
Coachman Hotel Palmerston North Saturday 21st May at 1.30 till 3.00 pm.
This is for current licence holders only so it is just about the riders....
All attendees need to register with the office.
The road race workshop has been moved so it is after this forum so the riders can have a collective input from the forum at the workshop.
I posted this in another subject on here some months ago see http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1129986846.

Remember the commission run the sport not the president or the board, yes we have input but the final decision rests with the commission.

Kevin Goddard

[scrivy]

I will endevour to answer Marcus's question:

Motorcycling New Zealand was advised that Mr Chris Lawrance was about to undergo major surgery (Kidney replacement). After doing some investigation, it became apparent that his condition could effect his ability to ride.
Jim, it had no such affect at all!! What a load of poppycock!
Advised by who Jim? Who tried to stop Chris from racing - there is the real travesty. And what investigation? Did you ask his Doctor for confidential information? Chris's doctor never said he couldn't or shouldn't race!!

Therefore under it's 'Duty of Care', MNZ put a hold on Mr Lawrance's licence and advised him he would need to supply a "Medical Certificate" before his licence would be released.
Funny how it tied in to the same time that the NZSRA wrote a letter to MNZ regarding the Nats the previous year. And funny how it said the Board wanted a medical certificate - but it came directly from you, without a board member knowing about it!

Mr Lawrance subsequently supplied a "Medical Certificate" and his licence was released.

Again, not quite true Jim. You asked him for yet another medical clearance didn't you. Which he again supplied. Did it mention anywhere that his doctor said that it would affect his ability to ride??

Now, can you please answer Steves question. With Fact too please.

[sidecar bob]

Steve,
I notice when asked by Marcus to qualify your statement, you were going to get Chris to answer him so you didn't get it wrong.

Personally, I believe you need to contact your source and ask him, why he is telling lies.

Hes not telling lies Jim, Call it revoked, withheld, suspended, or whatever, you blame Chris for not attending the Nationals, when your personal decision was the very reason he was not avaliable.
I have to say though, watching his mechanic win a race against top teams at Hampton Downs due to this was quality entertainment!!

[The Chow]

sometimes you need to look past these riders who are already racing the series, to find out why the poeple did not ride the nats, otherwise you will not get the growth, but i agree there should be a debrief very soon after the natioanls

But in the end, The president should not run the road race nationals, road race commission does,

Thanks Scott

Yes people forget that riders who don't do the nats are still fans and sometimes even pay to go the events and bring their friends and family. The sport is for everyone to have a view not just a the competitors. And you stole my thunder " Breaking News , As you say scott it is the commissioner who runs the sport NOT the President!!

The president is the chairman of the board .

[scrivy]

Morning,

The only problem with that Scrivy, as you have already identified, our 'Sport' is full of "Gunnas" (I am going to do this, I am going to do that). But when it comes down to close of entries, after the Club/MNZ etc have committed to the event, they are simply not there.

Fark!! That's exactly what I said in relation to the Chows post. Out of 30 expressions, only 8 entered!
But when I said that, you bagged me for baging others!! Go figure!!

If people have to attend a meeting, they will be more likely to be willing competitors other than just mouthpieces of no relevance. That will grow our sport.

[The Chow]

Fark!! That's exactly what I said in relation to the Chows post. Out of 30 expressions, only 8 entered!
But when I said that, you bagged me for baging others!! Go figure!!

If people have to attend a meeting, they will be more likely to be willing competitors other than just mouthpieces of no relevance. That will grow our sport.

Scrivy

Thanks for your comments. Firstly the sport is not only about the riders that do the nationals , it about the riders who choose not to but still are fans and are sometimes even paying public that bring their families etc or follow it online etc. I can tell you now that we have over 90,000 page views around 10,000 individual users to our site from August to now (which until recently was just the series website) we got 700 computer log ons per round on average at each round to follow the series commentating etc and we have 1150 friends on our facebook page and I tell you they aren't all riders , don't these people deserve a say as well.

And by the way I can back those fiqures up.

Oh and as aside the poll may be unscientific , but the person who so far have voted for 2 rounds is all on his own at the moment.

Why isn't the TRRS part of the Tri-Series now if it was such a great event , plenty of riders and thats good , but no spectators to speak of , great BBQ mate , as you kept telling me in 2009 during the meeting "You don't get this at the nationals" ,and no you don't thats a fact , but you get top class racing from a top class feild of riders that is a fact.

I asked the question to Chris by the way not you

Ian

[BJT666]

Jim.
My post was fact! Officials Training was started in the late 80's early 90's and has been evolving ever since. There was a three year period where there was not the seminars as we knew them, but that was restarted in 2007 when I became the Stewards Commissioner. I bought Andrew Roigard on as instructor and delegated the job to him. This continued until May 2009 when I resigned as Commissioner. The programme was evolving all the time as there would not be a lot of point if it didnt. You have come in, updated the content, and carried the show on. The same as a number of people before you.

Save your cheap put downs and one liners for for a more appropriate time!

Afternoon Warren,

There is no appropriate time for cheap put downs and if I could work things better, I would have gone back and removed the last line.

Please accept my apologies.

The point that needs clearly up is the programme run between 2007 and 2009 was 'Stewards Training', we now have "Officials Training" from flag marshals all the way to the Steward.

Hope to see you Saturday.

[scrivy]

I asked the question to Chris by the way not you

Ian

I am aware of that Ian.
What I commented on is in my post. About the science behind the poll.
No scullduggery.

Im a spectator to lots of events also, should I get involved in how soccer matches are run? What about car race events? What about Rally meetings? etc etc.
No I shouldn't, cause I don't spend the money (vested interest) in the sport.

Fans will watch any sport, as long as it is entertaining.
Competitors must have the majority say. You realise that Ian. How else will we grow our sport?

Or we could have 10,000 website jockies saying we should race electric bikes. Where would that put us, and more importantly the riders who've already spent the money on gear?

[The Chow]

I am aware of that Ian.
What I commented on is in my post. About the science behind the poll.
No scullduggery.

Im a spectator to lots of events also, should I get involved in how soccer matches are run? What about car race events? What about Rally meetings? etc etc.
No I shouldn't, cause I don't spend the money (vested interest) in the sport.

Fans will watch any sport, as long as it is entertaining.
Competitors must have the majority say. You realise that Ian. How else will we grow our sport?

Or we could have 10,000 website jockies saying we should race electric bikes. Where would that put us, and more importantly the riders who've already spent the money on gear?

Mate , I don't agree but thats life. I do agree on one point though and that the sport is riddled with skeletons of classes which are past or never were.

[scrivy]

Why isn't the TRRS part of the Tri-Series now if it was such a great event
Thanks for the complement Ian. It was a great event. As you know, Chris had two operations in the later part of last year and I didn't feel comfortable in running it single handedly. ,

plenty of riders and thats good , but no spectators to speak of , great BBQ mate , as you kept telling me in 2009 during the meeting "You don't get this at the nationals" ,and no you don't thats a fact , but you get top class racing from a top class feild of riders that is a fact.

So the Tri-series didn't have top class riders Ian? That's a brave comment to make, and I'd be pissed off if I was one of those top riders that entered! I think you'll find every class entered had the current NZ champ there!!
The grids were twice as full at the Nats also.

[The Chow]

So the Tri-series didn't have top class riders Ian? That's a brave comment to make, and I'd be pissed off if I was one of those top riders that entered! I think you'll find every class entered had the current NZ champ there!!

Ok Andrew was there and Craig was there and Lazzarini and Gozzini we are talking 2009 remember , oh and who esle? , and more importantly what top riders weren't at the nationals?

Mate why didn't you run the event without Chris , as you seem capable?

[The Chow]

What if anything are you going to do about.

Abuse by riders/team members to Officials /Organisers
Which appears to be on the increase , not naming names but it happened three times this year that I'm aware , one time in particular was bad at Hampton Downs , where experienced stewards were abused.

Ok a steward or official may get stuff wrong , and that has always happened and will always happen. But they don't need to take the abuse. In the case in Auckland it was totally uncalled for.
Riders have always got a proceedure to follow with regarding disputes , this does not give them the right to abuse the unpaid officials or organisers.