They are at it again - slick Smith's mates

**Brian d marge** · 14th April 2011, 01:15

Honestly , these people ..... Just shoot the focker , At least with Rangi from Mangari is up front ,

These evil baskets ...are underhanded

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/...&p=1#tmpn1011a

Get rid of the fckers honestly , knee cap em

DO Something for gawds sake

Stephen

**mashman** · 14th April 2011, 08:42

another one for the lawyers. At least they'll be using the public defenders office to good effect

**yachtie10** · 14th April 2011, 11:01

While i have issues with it
i dont see it being a bash national issue
The only mps that opposed it were the greens

and as Hone Harawira is aligned with them more than any other party who would you vote for?
"Former Maori Party MP Hone Harawira says he has come up with an agreement with the Green Party to cast his vote in the house in his absence."

**scott411** · 14th April 2011, 11:38

what is the big problem with this Bill? i do not really see the big issue, "sharing files" is a big problem, esp amoung small film companies

(i had a good conversation about this to a guy that makes MX films, basically the DVD market has shrunk and it is not worth making them anymore since everybody shares them, and does not pay)

not saying this bill is good, just want to know what the big problem is, if someone is sharing music or film files to the world, is he any better than the guy dubbing dvd's and selling them at the flea market

**imdying** · 14th April 2011, 11:46

Originally Posted by scott411

what is the big problem with this Bill?

It ignores the will of the people. The bill itself is neither here nor there, it will change nothing, hdds will move about, public P2P will encrypt, and it'll be ineffectual. It's that they've tried to get it through in the open, and were shouted down by the people, and so they've used surreptitious methods to push it through with urgency via the power given to them by the earthquake law changes.

That content creators have created a virtual world of shite for themselves by overcharging in the first place, that's another matter all together.

**Brian d marge** · 14th April 2011, 11:59

Originally Posted by imdying

It ignores the will of the people. The bill itself is neither here nor there, it will change nothing, hdds will move about, public P2P will encrypt, and it'll be ineffectual. It's that they've tried to get it through in the open, and were shouted down by the people, and so they've used surreptitious methods to push it through with urgency via the power given to them by the earthquake law changes.

That content creators have created a virtual world of shite for themselves by overcharging in the first place, that's another matter all together.

Couldn't have said it better .

As for the file sharing... I know if you are in the DVD business and people share files it will impact your business
I started fixing bike back when they weren't so reliable , then one year , that all went out the window
Itunes anyone???

Business pressured JK mob , JKs mob failed the first time , now under the cover of the earthquake ( I find that reprehensible ) they try again

Stephen

Any foker that controls inflation by using unemployment, I will quite happly shoot. these evil bastards did and still do

**imdying** · 14th April 2011, 12:01

John Key is your man... he said to Warner Brothers that he'd ensure this bill passed if they brought their Hobbit movie here. Well, I say fuck John Key, fuck Warner Brothers and fuck Peter Jackson.

**Str8 Jacket** · 14th April 2011, 12:03

TBH, I think that the main concern (of NZ public) is the way in which numerous bills have been passed by 'urgency' under this government. At the end of the day it has always been illegal but I do wonder why this was so "urgent".....

**bogan** · 14th April 2011, 12:06

Originally Posted by imdying

John Key is your man... he said to Warner Brothers that he'd ensure this bill passed if they brought their Hobbit movie here. Well, I say fuck John Key, fuck Warner Brothers and fuck Peter Jackson.

Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, good luck finding evidence to pin the slimy bastard to the wall with though.

**admenk** · 14th April 2011, 12:13

Originally Posted by imdying

John Well, I say fuck John Key, fuck Warner Brothers and fuck Peter Jackson.

I think I'll have to decline your kind offer

....I do know where they've been !

**imdying** · 14th April 2011, 12:16

Originally Posted by bogan

Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, good luck finding evidence to pin the slimy bastard to the wall with though.

Never happen, but he's the sort of slippery prick (i.e. a politician) who'd do a deal like that. He's not the worst PM we've had, but he'd be a lot better if he grew a back bone.

**Brian d marge** · 14th April 2011, 12:22

It gone through this morning ,
Well done NZ ,

I mean dont get me wrong there are people out there who abuse the system and down load ,,,a lot ..and I mean a lot ( Im about 2 or three gig a night I suppose )

Im disgusted , so much so ,,,Ive dropped me digestive into me tea now how am I going to fish this out ,,,,

Stephen

**george formby** · 14th April 2011, 12:33

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

TBH, I think that the main concern (of NZ public) is the way in which numerous bills have been passed by 'urgency' under this government. At the end of the day it has always been illegal but I do wonder why this was so "urgent".....

Yup, back door politics. D.o.C, the gummint, etc put a lot of potential legislation, access debates, taxpayer funding issues etc out into the public domain just before Christmas when everybody is heading to the beach. You finish your holiday, get back to work & raft of changes are being implemented which you can do nothing about. The public's right of reply expired about the same time as the last ham sandwich was being eaten.

Sneaky shit like this makes me wonder why we have an electoral system at all. You can only vote for self serving do gooders or money grabbers anyway.

As my IT mate said this morning, this attitude to politics leads to a Police State by any other name. Harsh, but I see his point. He also pondered which politicians had shares in media interests such as Sky Tv.. Be nice to have that kind of disclosure to inform what we consider to be fair or unfair legislation.

Oil? Did somebody mention oil exploration?

Representatives of the people my arse.

**Brian d marge** · 14th April 2011, 12:33

FK me they are STILL at it ... I swear Im going to shoot

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/chri...changes-secret

Stephen

**scott411** · 14th April 2011, 12:40

Originally Posted by imdying

John Key is your man... he said to Warner Brothers that he'd ensure this bill passed if they brought their Hobbit movie here. Well, I say fuck John Key, fuck Warner Brothers and fuck Peter Jackson.

mm, Mr Goff supported it as well, so its hardly a National only thing,