New licencing system needed

[Camshaft]

1 of my work mates, an asian guy, had some awesome stories, like he came to work telling me of an accident he had where he hit another car, i said what happened, he said i turnd and hit then, i asked how, he said he chkd his mirror but culdnt be bothered checking his blindspot so just went for it.

one of my best mates, an indian, asked me the other day if a knew what a blind spot was, i said yes ofcourse as even when i didnt no the term for it (5 yeaars old) i instinctivly knew to check there the first time i got in a motor vehicle. the reeason he asked by the way, is because he didnt no. now these are just a few stories from a bank of hundreds from my multicultural friends. when it comes to kiwis in the young male group crashing its generaly not there skill of driving that is the cause, more there lack of skill in trying certian other things on public roads, like drag racing/drifting.

[jazfender]

now these are just a few stories from a bank of hundreds from my multicultural friends.

Well that's scientific.

What about the women?

[Latte]

That has always been the case.
In fairness, though, it must be pointed out that a crash is not necessary to prove poor driving skills...


If this fellow had done something stupid (due to frustration) and crashed, say, that would make him a poor driver. But the cause of that frustration sailed merrily on, without coming to the attention of the stats. In fact, she would probably have had her driving 'skills' confirmed to her as being excellent (she wasn't the one who crashed, eh?).

I agree that not crashing doesn't necessarily make you a skilled driver. But the whole point of driving is to get from A to B, crashing on the way shows a lack of skill to complete the task. And young guys are over represented in the figures.

[Berries]

Well that's scientific.

What about the women?

It's hard to be understood through a burka.

[racefactory]

As a Caucasian male I would not say that Caucasian women are above Asian men. They are dangerously oblivious on the road.

[awayatc]

what about a test...?

In English......?

Not only f***n foreigners and woman would fail either.....

[Camshaft]

Well that's scientific.

What about the women?

for thousand years or so the smartest minds on the planet thought there was an edge where everything dropped away, didnt you know???, 95% of statistics are bullshit

[steve_t]

95% of statistics are bullshit

LOL. The ironing

[Camshaft]

As a Caucasian male I would not say that Caucasian women are above Asian men. They are dangerously oblivious on the road.

there are always a few exceptions , and ofcourse that list was veeeeerrrrrryyyyyy general not considering multiple factors and even then its subjective to one's perception of what a good driver is. Loving peoples opinions tho

[MSTRS:Me]

I agree that not crashing doesn't necessarily make you a skilled driver. But the whole point of driving is to get from A to B, crashing on the way shows a lack of skill to complete the task. And young guys are over represented in the figures.

My point, in case you missed it, was that one doesn't have to crash to be a poor driver. I'm not talking about ambition outstripping ability to handle a vehicle...which is where the 15-24yo male thing comes from.

[over5tayer]

...Because things are much busier in asia - the chaos means every driver expects anything at any time and doesn't get pissed off. Indian drivers honk their horns a lot as a "I am here" / awareness signal - not as Kiwis / Aussies use it as a "I'm pissed off" signal.

i think you'll find that the asian drivers that have previously driven in asia and then moved over here arnt too much of a worry... Its the ones that have learnt to drive from scratch over here that are a serious problem.

My dad helped a Chinese lady (40's, 5ft 0) get her licence and every time they went out for a drive he had a new close-call to tell me about. After a year and a half of training her (he's a good driver/teacher) she would still change lanes without even knowing she had done so (no mirror checking or indicating - just a casual swerve over to another lane). She failed her restricted 4 times and her full 7 times and had multiple 'accidents' in-between.

I find asian drivers frustrating too. But I have to accept it's not a capability thing, but a way it works in their country thing which is not the same as NZ.....

i disagree - what seems to be intuitive for most of us (looking before pulling out, watching the road ahead, spotting potential dangers etc...) is not so for them (stats based on personal observations ).

[steve_t]

i think you'll find that the asian drivers that have previously driven in asia and then moved over here arnt too much of a worry... Its the ones that have learnt to drive from scratch over here that are a serious problem.

My dad helped a Chinese lady (40's, 5ft 0) get her licence and every time they went out for a drive he had a new close-call to tell me about. After a year and a half of training her (he's a good driver/teacher) she would still change lanes without even knowing she had done so (no mirror checking or indicating - just a casual swerve over to another lane). She failed her restricted 4 times and her full 7 times and had multiple 'accidents' in-between.

I wonder if there are people worse than that lady. Good on her for being persistent I guess 11 fails would generally be enough to put someone off. I guess some people just don't have the mental abilities to be safe drivers

[Latte]

My point, in case you missed it, was that one doesn't have to crash to be a poor driver. I'm not talking about ambition outstripping ability to handle a vehicle...which is where the 15-24yo male thing comes from.

I (think) I did get your point and I agreed with it in the 1st sentence of my reply. Reading back, we may be trying to argue a slightly different point.

If you'd said "Number of crashes has no indication of the skill level of 15-25 year old males" I would have disagreed as I beleive it does. You said "One doesn't have to crash to be a poor driver" which I agree with (I know I'm a below average road driver/rider and the only crash I've had is a lowside on the track).

The point you've brought up about 15-25 year olds crashing due to pushing past their limits I agree with as well, but on top of that they also make the same mistakes other road users do, inattentive driving, poor speed judgement, failure to indicate etc

[MSTRS:Me]

The point you've brought up about 15-25 year olds crashing due to pushing past their limits I agree with as well, but on top of that they also make the same mistakes other road users do, inattentive driving, poor speed judgement, failure to indicate etc

Yep. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Oftentimes, some other poor bastard pays the price for someone's bad driving, perhaps because their own isn't too hot either.
In the case of 15-24yo males, in addition to the other faults, they use the tactile method of discovering where their ability limit lies...which is why as a group their stats are so poor.

[avgas]

The following is the driver profile hierarchy from worst to best, i was stuck behind a WOMEN (asian/indian) driver with added danger factor (oldness) that was going 30 in a 50 zone with right hand wheel on the centerline with ocasional drift to left had white line then back to center. Its just not good enough, people lives are at risk.

WOMEN (asian/indian)
WOMEN (islander/maori)
MEN (asian/indian)
MEN (islander/maori)
WOMEN (caucasian)
MEN (caucasian)

Don't worry the WAAAAAAAmbulance will be arriving soon.
You can give them your man card and keys to your bike.