Another victory in the war on P. May there be many more victories like this!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Too fucking true. Legalize the lot and regulate the fuck of it.

Despite what some may think, I know people that function perfectly well and are fine members of the work force and communities they live in whilst being social users of all sorts of drugs. I also know some that shouldn't be allowed near anything...alcohol included.

As far as I'm concerned, you should be able to get permission from your Dr that says you're of perfectly sane mind, and a letter from your employer that says you've never thrown a sickie due to your social choices...then go down to the local chemist and buy whatever the fuck you want. At least then you're actually getting what you want/pay for. Not some unknown concoction of god only knows what. It's being taxed, and hopefully helping rid NZ of the gangs of underground cooks and crooks etc that make millions from it being illegal.

[short-circuit]

Despite what some may think, I know people that function perfectly well and are fine members of the work force and communities they live in whilst being social users of all sorts of drugs. I also know some that shouldn't be allowed near anything...alcohol included.

As far as I'm concerned, you should be able to get permission from your Dr that says you're of perfectly sane mind, and a letter from your employer that says you've never thrown a sickie due to your social choices...then go down to the local chemist and buy whatever the fuck you want. At least then you're actually getting what you want/pay for. Not some unknown concoction of god only knows what. It's being taxed, and hopefully helping rid NZ of the gangs of underground cooks and crooks etc that make millions from it being illegal.

Agree 100%. You'll have a hard time gaining a consensus in here on that one however I would suspect.

[Edbear]

Despite what some may think, I know people that function perfectly well and are fine members of the work force and communities they live in whilst being social users of all sorts of drugs. I also know some that shouldn't be allowed near anything...alcohol included.

As far as I'm concerned, you should be able to get permission from your Dr that says you're of perfectly sane mind, and a letter from your employer that says you've never thrown a sickie due to your social choices...then go down to the local chemist and buy whatever the fuck you want. At least then you're actually getting what you want/pay for. Not some unknown concoction of god only knows what. It's being taxed, and hopefully helping rid NZ of the gangs of underground cooks and crooks etc that make millions from it being illegal.

It won't stop crime, the criminals will only transfer to something else. The number who actually care enough to do it legally is very small.

You have to be of a certain mindset and attitude to be a criminal...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Agree 100%. You'll have a hard time gaining a consensus in here on that one however I would suspect.

Wouldn't even bother trying! And in all honesty...I fully understand why some people get so wound up over the whole drugs thing too. I mean 'P' (as everyone seems to love to call it now) has been around for ever. It's just that the manufacture of it has only semi recently been easy enough to do here in the last few years...hence making it far more avail and cheaper. And for sure a lot of henious crimes are carried out by bad people whilst under the influence of it, and also to support their bad habbit. But a hell of a lot of nasty crimes are carried out by overly agressive pissed cunts too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It won't stop crime, the criminals will only transfer to something else. The number who actually care enough to do it legally is very small.

You have to be of a certain mindset and attitude to be a criminal...

No I hear ya mate. And I didn't say it'd stop crime. It's just that the huge amount of money involved in the trade of illegal drugs is what makes it such a nasty business.

[Edbear]

No I hear ya mate. And I didn't say it'd stop crime. It's just that the huge amount of money involved in the trade of illegal drugs is what makes it such a nasty business.

The old supply and demand principle, eh? This haul will no doubt push up the price further. Personally I don't really see the difference between most illicit drugs and alcohol and tobacco. All are addictive, all have similar issues of violence, anti-social behaviour, poverty, etc. 'P' is special in that it is so far above the others in it's effects, especially of paranoia, that I think I wouldn't be too far off the mark to suggest it is one drug the Police actually are nervous about in dealing with those under the influence of it.

[Headbanger]

Wouldn't even bother trying! And in all honesty...I fully understand why some people get so wound up over the whole drugs thing too. I mean 'P' (as everyone seems to love to call it now) has been around for ever. It's just that the manufacture of it has only semi recently been easy enough to do here in the last few years...hence making it far more avail and cheaper. And for sure a lot of henious crimes are carried out by bad people whilst under the influence of it, and also to support their bad habbit. But a hell of a lot of nasty crimes are carried out by overly agressive pissed cunts too.

Suggest you look up the difference between amphetamine (which is what has been common as muck in "certain circles" for 20 years) and Methamphetamine which is what is known as P.

Having spent many years in "certain circles" I saw a lot of people go down in massive heaps when the switch was made. People that had controlled their social habit for many years slowly but surely came to be controlled by it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

Never fear, Those that had a self-interest in it all also tried to convince me it was all the same thing....ppfffttt

[Crasherfromwayback]

Suggest you look up the difference between amphetamine (which is what has been common as muck in "certain circles" for 20 years) and Methamphetamine which is what is known as P.

Having spent many years in "certain circles" I saw a lot of people go down in massive heaps when the switch was made. People that had controlled their social habit for many years slowly but surely came to be controlled by it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

Never fear, Those that had a self-interest in it all also tried to convince me it was all the same thing....ppfffttt

Oh I'm fully aware of the differences mate. At the end of the day...when it ('P') became readily avail, and it became trendy to smoke it...it all started going pear shaped for a lot of people. More often than not it's simply the lack of sleep that does peoples heads in. Sleep deprived people are not safe wether it's drug induced or not.

[98tls]

Having spent many years in "certain circles" I saw a lot of people go down in massive heaps when the switch was made. People that had controlled their social habit for many years slowly but surely came to be controlled by it.

Funnily enough ive seen the same thing happen when Joe Middleage buys a Harley,married and seemingly happy one day next thing its tassled up,apehangers and booze hag on the back

[Headbanger]

More often than not it's simply the lack of sleep that does peoples heads in. Sleep deprived people are not safe wether it's drug induced or not.

Yeah, Thats very true. (from what I have seen) Day two and three of a speed and booze bender were always pure madness.

[White trash]

Fucken Customs.

Pushing up the prices of my shit the cunts.

[Edbear]

Yeah, Thats very true. (from what I have seen) Day two and three of a speed and booze bender were always pure madness.

Sleep deprivation is a recognised form of torture and can drive people insane. People high on P are impossible to deal with other than to incapacitate them as fast as possible.

The Police will say you cannot reason with them, so talking is useless unless you can distract them enough to bring them physically under control. Even Tazers are often ineffective.

[Headbanger]

. People high on P are impossible to deal with other than to incapacitate them as fast as possible.

The Police will say you cannot reason with them, so talking is useless unless you can distract them enough to bring them physically under control. Even Tazers are often ineffective.

Meh. I broke away from a large number of people as P became prevalent in the social circles I frequented,However none of them acted as described. The majority of people smoking that shit don't have violent breakdowns, chop peoples handss off, or even get the pleasure of speaking to the police.

[Grasshopperus]

Won't this just make it more expensive due to less supply?

That'll mean that addicts have to burgle (or worse) more stuff in order to get their fix.

We should mass-produce and give it away freely to whoever wants it. Less gang income, more freedom for NZers and less police/court time wasted on enforcement. I'm sure there's a side I'm not seeing though.

[98tls]

Sleep deprivation is a recognised form of torture and can drive people insane. People high on P are impossible to deal with other than to incapacitate them as fast as possible.

The Police will say you cannot reason with them, so talking is useless unless you can distract them enough to bring them physically under control. Even Tazers are often ineffective.

Guess from a coppers point of view a fair reason to have easy access to a gun.